
05-16-2008, 04:26 PM
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| | Is rationing the answer? | | One of the only ways to stop the rising cost of oil is to ration the amount of gasoline used by individuals. This will stimulate more public transportation usage and force the use of more energy efficient vehicles. Why this has not been considered by the government is a totally different issue. Profiteering by the US oil companies and the goverment officials that are invested heavily in oil are to blaim for the cost of gasoline. When the president is one of those people, you can look for very little pressure from the government to get the record setting profit takeing gasoline companies to back off. They are recieving big tax breaks for reasons that are benefitual to the president and his clan. Once threatned by the goverment to cut back on the tax breaks, there responce would have been recieved as a slap in the face by a president who really cared about the economy and well being of the citizens in the country he is in charge of. The gasoline companies simply said they would have to raise the price more to cover the loss. They claim to be using billions of dollars for research into other forms of energy, but are building new refineries instead of producing some more hydrogen pumps for the cars that are available today that use an alternitive fuel source. Seems to me it wouldnt take alot of money to develope a "at home" water treatment system for the use of a fuel cell car owner that produced its hydrogen from tap water. The only problem is it wouldnt benefit our president.
They say electing John Mcain as president is like having Bush back in. You can bet your ass he is a oil man himself. Please vote wisely this year and if you normally dont vote, you are partly to blaim for what happens in the next 4 years. Look how close it was last election, when the winner was not the popular vote (another issue that should be fixed). | 
05-16-2008, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by papajock One of the only ways to stop the rising cost of oil is to ration the amount of gasoline used by individuals. This will stimulate more public transportation usage and force the use of more energy efficient vehicles. Why this has not been considered by the government is a totally different issue. Profiteering by the US oil companies and the goverment officials that are invested heavily in oil are to blaim for the cost of gasoline. When the president is one of those people, you can look for very little pressure from the government to get the record setting profit takeing gasoline companies to back off. They are recieving big tax breaks for reasons that are benefitual to the president and his clan. Once threatned by the goverment to cut back on the tax breaks, there responce would have been recieved as a slap in the face by a president who really cared about the economy and well being of the citizens in the country he is in charge of. The gasoline companies simply said they would have to raise the price more to cover the loss. They claim to be using billions of dollars for research into other forms of energy, but are building new refineries instead of producing some more hydrogen pumps for the cars that are available today that use an alternitive fuel source. Seems to me it wouldnt take alot of money to develope a "at home" water treatment system for the use of a fuel cell car owner that produced its hydrogen from tap water. The only problem is it wouldnt benefit our president.
They say electing John Mcain as president is like having Bush back in. You can bet your ass he is a oil man himself. Please vote wisely this year and if you normally dont vote, you are partly to blaim for what happens in the next 4 years. Look how close it was last election, when the winner was not the popular vote (another issue that should be fixed). | Bush is trying for hydrogen Bush Touts Hydrogen, Pushes for Energy Bill
" Hydrogen is "the wave of the future," President George W. Bush said Wednesday during a visit to a hydrogen fueling station in Washington, D.C. The clean fuel offers the United States a road away from its increasing dependence on foreign oil, said Bush, who again called on Congress to pass a comprehensive energy bill.
"Congress has been talking too long about the energy bill," Bush said. "I'm getting a little tired of waiting … for the sake of energy independence, they've got to get me a bill."
And I support Bush so trying to demean McCain by saying he is the same as Bush is no insult.
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05-17-2008, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenMaster Bush is trying for hydrogen Bush Touts Hydrogen, Pushes for Energy Bill
" Hydrogen is "the wave of the future," President George W. Bush said Wednesday during a visit to a hydrogen fueling station in Washington, D.C. The clean fuel offers the United States a road away from its increasing dependence on foreign oil, said Bush, who again called on Congress to pass a comprehensive energy bill. | Ya, thats a good cover up for his esoteric agendas. Of course Bush wants for the price of oil to plummet for the citizens. Wasn't/isn't he an oil man himself? Of course he wants his product to sell for much cheaper, why wouldn't he? lmao
Yes, you are right popajock! We could produce our own hydrogen power from the convince and privacy of our own homes. Its EXTREMELY EASY to extract hydrogen from our own homes... All we need is electricity, water, and a hydrogen generator- a hydrogen generator in its simplest form is two metal plates that conduct electricity. You could make a hydrogen generator by simple taking a 12 volt battery and putting some two leads(make sure they are not touching otherwise it would be a short) into the water, add some salt to help the process. YouTube - HHO generator
A hydrogen generator would most likely cost under 200 dollars(and that would be for a nice unit) and it would provide renewable energy to power your car. The only cost that you would have to pay for is the cost of electricity and water. The price that you would pay for electricity would be roughly 1/50th of the price you would pay for gas, when talking about millage. Don't quote me on the exact ratio, but people would be saving billions of dollars a year!!
You could drive cross country with only using ~30gallons of water(depending on your vehicle) and it would only cost you roughly 40 dollars to convert water to hydrogen. You can run hydrogen in an internal combustion engine, its more efficient than gas and its only byproduct is water.
Edit- giving it a second thought, I'm sure that they would try and charge more than 200 dollars to a quality hydrogen generator. They can be really good at selling things in commercials, and I'm sure rich people would pay more. After all, we will/would be saving thousands in the future. But a hydrogen generator is nothing expensive nor complicated to build.
In its basic form, it is only metal plates that are separated by water, one plate is connected to positive and one is connected to negative. These plates are then placed in water and a voltage is applied and BLAM, you are producing hydrogen. Its really that simple. 
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05-17-2008, 02:22 AM
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05-17-2008, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaNoN | Look at their smug faces. They are both laughing saying "I made a million dollars last month alone on oil... HAHAHHAHAHHA stupid people! Its great how we can keep raking in the money even when this hydrogen technology is know and would put us out of buisness! AHAHHAHA. Good work on keeping prices up"
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05-17-2008, 09:24 AM
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| | Bush is rich, and will be rich even if we get off of oil. Why is it so hard to believe that he is genuine for his concern with America's unhealthy dependency of oil?
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05-17-2008, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenMaster Bush is rich, and will be rich even if we get off of oil. Why is it so hard to believe that he is genuine for his concern with America's unhealthy dependency of oil? | Maybe because his buddies the Saudis and every other acquaintance are oil men. If you think that soundbite that he put on in Saudi Arabia was genuine, you are extremely deluded. "lower the price of crude", yeah right!
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05-17-2008, 10:35 AM
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| | Very well, why is it that Bush is pushing hydrogen and you liberals are pushing taxes on Oil Companies? Which seems better for the future of America?
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05-17-2008, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenMaster Very well, why is it that Bush is pushing hydrogen and you liberals are pushing taxes on Oil Companies? Which seems better for the future of America? | The type of hydrogen he is pushing is still controlled by the oil companies. What we need is the true water car, not fuel cells. BTW, I'd be fine with gas rationing. I could probably profit by selling most of my quota on the black market, ~LOL~.
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05-17-2008, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by medicineman The type of hydrogen he is pushing is still controlled by the oil companies. What we need is the true water car, not fuel cells. | This I can agree on.
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