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VTXDave · #**101** 05-17-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjagoddess

Wait a minute here am I reading this right???

No, you're not reading it right. Ron Paul is against federal government intervention into our lives. I sometimes wonder how so many people find this a difficult concept to comprehend. Perhaps we've been successfully indoctrinated.

Seamaiden · #**102** 05-17-2008, 12:43 AM

I'd like to speak to the choice issue, as this is one point on which I disagree with RP, I do NOT believe that "life" begins at conception, because I, personally, do not value a clump of cells. I don't even value the zygote, or the embryo during those first 3 months of gestation. Yep, you read that right.

In any event, what many fail to understand is that within RP's paradigm the citizens of each state are free to decide how much "choice" they will allow a woman over her reproductive system. That's how I make peace with this fundamental disagreement between myself and RP. I also understand that as an OB/GYN he almost necessarily has a different viewpoint, I just wish that my boys' first pediatrician was still alive, he was STAUNCHLY pro-choice, STAUNCHLY. How would a pediatrician have a viewpoint almost diametrically opposed to the guy who only takes care of the birth mother? I don't know, but it fascinates me.

ganjagoddess · #**103** 05-17-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by homerdog

Ceestyle and other Paul haters. Just read the thread. I would implore you to read RP's new book. Not because I expect to sway your opinion to vote for him, but rather to gain an understanding of why he believes what he does, backed with research. It's short, if you are a slow reader, and it is very well written.

As far as the abortion issue, you are saying that you don't like a man because he believes based on his scientific and religious views that abortion is wrong, and yet he is willing to admit that the constitution givens the US gov no right to regulate it. I mean come on this guy should be your best ally on that issue. Why doesn't he believe the dept of education should exist? One the constitution doesn't provide for it, two because like every other gov run institution it is extremely inefficient. Check out how many school administrators it takes to run the NYC school system, then look at the catholic schools and how many they have. It is embarrasing. Obviously you were educated in a public school, based soully on your understanding of the civil war (mine you can tell from the poor spelling), perhaps read the People's History of the Civil War, it is available at your local library. Lincoln did not come to free the slaves he came to collect on debts owed (if we are not care China might do the same to us, yeah laugh, and then learn history it has happened over and over again) Not to mention that the history we are told to swallow doesn't require you to learn anything about the Native American's and their genocide, no really you can look up learning requirements by grade k-12. The requirements can all be stated in a 2 minute speech, which I have done before.

Now to further your understanding you should start at the begging of the book (The Revolution). This is where we learn how f***ed up our current gov is. Basically to make a long story short, your income is not yours. The gov takes what it demands and if you don't pay their demands they come for everything you own. Doesn't it seemed f***ed up to you that because I don't want to fund a housing project or contribute to gov aid to Africa (which messes up their economies) that the gov can come and take what I own (these being some of the most reasonable things our tax dollars fund). So why would I want to add to more inefficient programs that are basically contributing to the gov holding me up at gun point??????

It doesn't sound like you have ventured into his monetary policy beliefs, this is the next to last chapter, perhaps if you were to only read 1 chapter this should be it. I know this is a lot to ask, but hey maybe it will even help you refine your arguments. No one else is talking about it, and few have a better understanding of it. McCain looks F*c*ing dumbfounded by Paul's monetary statements during the debates. Haven't heard Obama talk about it either, it is too much of a real issue, at least he is for getting out of Iraq.

By the way I have figured out the liberal media's obsession with McCain during the early primaries. It geinous actually, get the dumbest most Bush like Rep selected. This way come november we will definately elect a Dem President.

My rant is over for the moment. Let me know if you need clarification on anything.
Peace

Yes I am saying I dont like a man because he believes abortion is wrong..

Capice...?

And second what the hell about the civil war, I didnt say squat about the civil war??

who are you talking to? That was the most obtruse rant I have ever heard!

Confused at best???

VTXDave · #**104** 05-17-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjagoddess

Yes I am saying I dont like a man because he believes abortion is wrong..

Capice...?

I am pro-choice, yet Ron Paul will get my vote. Why? Because his convictions will not allow him to foist his "personal beliefs" ahead of his belief in the US Constitution. I challenge anyone to find another candidate that has a better voting record than he.

We TaRdED · #**105** 05-17-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjagoddess

Yes I am saying I dont like a man because he believes abortion is wrong..

Capice...?

And second what the hell about the civil war, I didnt say squat about the civil war??

who are you talking to? That was the most obtruse rant I have ever heard!

Confused at best???

Basically income tax is unconstitutional and the 'Federal' Reserve is about as federal as Federal Express. The Fed Reserve is a privately owned company and THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PRINT OUR MONEY!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

The Fed gov't is a bunch of crooks, back in the 30's or so they stole the American publics wealth of gold in exchange for dollars. It was illegal to posses gold and would be arrested. They paid them roughly 20 dollars an ounce, and gold is now worth ~950 dollars an ounce. We no longer have have a gold standard and our money is only as valuable as the paper its printed on or the value that the people attribute to it.

The Money Masters - Part 1 of 2
The Money Masters - Part 2 of 2

Basically, what I'm saying is that big all powerful gov't is bad! Absolute power in the wrong hands means absolute corruption(conspiracies). RON PAUL is NOT the wrong hands, do some research and see what dirt you can come up with....................................... NOTHING!!! Ohh, sorry, he thinks that states should dictate their own abortion policies. Opps, he believes that law abiding people should own guns just in case they need to defend their selves. I guess RON PAUL is not electable for POTUS because of the latter two reasons

VTXDave · #**106** 05-17-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Seamaiden

How would a pediatrician have a viewpoint almost diametrically opposed to the guy who only takes care of the birth mother?

I don't know darlin'. Maybe he's seen how a lot of those little babies turn out once they become adolescents?

medicineman · #**107** 05-17-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by VTXDave

I don't know darlin'. Maybe he's seen how a lot of those little babies turn out once they become adolescents?

Exactly, or old men for that matter, I've one in mind,~LOL~.

ceestyle · #**108** 05-17-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by homerdog

Ceestyle and other Paul haters.
Peace

I am not a "Paul hater". I understand Paul's views. I just don't happen to agree with them.

What you and others need to realize is that you are not smarter than everyone else, in that you happen to have a god-given understand for things, and the reason we disagree is that we don't "get it". I understand. I get it. I disagree.

ceestyle · #**109** 05-17-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by We TaRdED

Cee, hypothetically speaking what if the gov't wanted to join into the North American Union, change our currency to amero-dollars, and implant us with a Vchip.(watch this clip YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH )How would you defend yourself and your family from ppl with authority, guns and brute force? Hypothetically, if someone tried to implant a chip in me I would feel safer knowing I have guns and I know how to use them

I'm sure if you did a little research you would find that aprox 95%(or maybe more) of gun crimes come from people with illegal guns!! How would we have had the Revolutionary War if the Brits didn't allow us to bear arms?

RON PAUL IS THE MAN!!! WHOOOOHOOOOO..... I gave you a + rep Parker for being informed of RON PAUL!

Okay man. My point - if you had read my posts - is that the era of us being able to defend ourselves against the government is over.

As for gun control, I've already made this point as well, but if you want to make guns less available, you have to stop selling them at walmart. That would be a good start. Even if the guns are bought legally, if the original owner doesn't use them to perpetrate a crime, they're illegal.

People like you are the reason I don't usually frequent political forums. I'm out.

medicineman · #**110** 05-17-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ceestyle

I am not a "Paul hater". I understand Paul's views. I just don't happen to agree with them.

What you and others need to realize is that you are not smarter than everyone else, in that you happen to have a god-given understand for things, and the reason we disagree is that we don't "get it". I understand. I get it. I disagree.

Well said, I've argued this many times on this forum. I get Ron Paul, I just disagree with his privatization thing. In my opinion, Government should play a role in regulating industry. If there were ever a poster child for not privitizing government run entities, it is the prison system. Cut expenses and keep them full, that is the program. Our health care is another poster child against private medical care: 50,000,000 uninsured, 150,000,000 underinsured, and prices escalating by the second. ; Choice, have the medical procedure and lose the house or die. Seems like there is something wrong with this picture. Doesn't "promote the general welfare" include health care?