I seem to remember that it was 500 meter silhouettes that were like 1/5th of the front blade of the peep sights on the M-14 and they were easy to hit. With the M-16 I don't remember ever shooting at that range or not targets at least.

Wanna Bet. I'll go with you to a shooting range, you bring your best open sight gun and we'll put a cantalope at 500 yards, 1500 ft., hell I'll even allow a fair sized watermellon. I'll give you 10 shots and bet you a thousand bucks you can't hit it. A 1/4 mile is 1350 ft, have you been to a 1/4 mile drag race lately, add 150 ft onto that distance and try and imagine hitting a watermellon with open sights, NFW. BTW, a target 1/5 the width of the front blade would be real hard to hit. I fired 247 out of a possible 250, the highest score in my batallion with an M-14. a beautiful weapon. That means I got 3 outside the bulls-eye in the 4 ring.

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I shot a BB gun one time....

Hey Med ...

How about commenting on Clinton selling our military secrets to China? Or ... after chastising me for bringing it up ... do you just have nothing to say and are trying to avoid the issue?

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you are ridiculous....

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Thanks. Coming from you, that's a compliment.

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The marine corps quals at 500 yards and they did that back in the 60's too, I just got out 3 years ago, I also was a marksmanship instructor so I have spent many hot days out at the range, bootcampers can shoot at 500yards!. Dude your totally wrong on this. and you shot that well in the 60's you should be able to shoot 500 yards that well too, BTW the max effective range of M-16 on a point target is 550 meters and the max on a an area target is 800 meters, and the blade on the front sight is about the same with as 500 yrd target .....................and PS so Oswald shot was still impossible with scoped rifle at less than a 100 yards let me say it again 100 yards

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I don't think you could out shoot me with a rifle or a handgun, as i'm very good with eather. I have 2 BARs in 30-06 that will shoot close to an MOA a few bolts that will shoot sub MOAs and a super match M1A that will shoot sub MOAs, and the reason that I have the M1A is because of the M14s that I shot in training.
Marines had the x rings bulls-eyes, in the army there was no such thing when I was in. As I stated we shot silhuettes the close up were head & shoulder the long range were about 2ft. by 4 1/2ft. I could be wrong about meters it could have been yards but I don'tthink so as I never thuoght of meters intill the army. Maps were in 10 meter grids as were most things that I can remember. I qualifyed every time as expert with the M14, M79, M60 and the LAW, the only weapon that didn't was the 1911-45 and the slide was so loose that it would rattle and that was as a sharpshooter.
Med I have read what you have said of your weapons and you seem to be mostly correct as for as you go BUT I think you are a long way from an expert in the feild.


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I have wandered for a long time if the marines are the same as the army the top is expert then sharpshooter and the lowest is marksman, is this the same?

The manlicker carcano was a military rifle. I also seem to remember that Oswalds longest shot was less than 80 yards.