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Old 05-13-2008, 03:36 PM
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Didn't I tell you, sweetheart? There is none so blind as he who will NOT see. This is an exercise, although it's hopefully helping others know which direction to look. I stand by my statements because there is sufficient proof for me. Video and government documentation, even that which I don't like, serves as that proof. What's doubly amusing is that the person who screams "PROOF! PROOF! I WANT PROOF!" then not only goes on to dismiss the proof, but has yet to provide any of their own.
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From the Defense Technical Information Center...
Full 39 page PDF available here...
The Stinger Missile and US Intervention in Afghanistan
This seems to be a good link I'm going to the little ladys office in a bit to read it, as I can't read it my webtv I could print it but my printer has been down for a year.
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:49 PM
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Please tell me of a single weapon the US gave to Saddom?

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U.S. support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arming Iraq and the Path to War, by John King, 3/31/03
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Now I have to ask May, on more than one occasion you have dismissed my points (which is fine by me), which I have provided links to articles, without presenting anything yourself to the contrary. You merely dismiss them as "spin" and/or propaganda. I have as of yet witnessed you post a link to a counterpoint. Do you have any "proof" to the contrary other than your word?
You mean as you have dismissed my points or have ignored them? Yes you will find that I am dismissive of spin and propaganda from the shark tank through overgrow to here I have yet to post a link in whatever name I have used. I don't have an agenda that I try to push nor am I here to learn as to be truthful this is hardly a place for me to learn anything, this is not to say that I haven't and some of it may have been usefull but I disremember anything at this time. You could look at me as a janitor cleaning up a bit of the bullshit spread about by others. At 14 I noted that even the best texts had errors, and I make them myself, but what I don't do is try to hide them nor to cover them up, as they are mine I value them as to remind me that I am also flawed.
My word is my bond and I stand behind it, and few links will be as correct as me if I wish to be so, though I must admit that I do play games within games and also spin some and although it could be seen as an agenda I teach a few lessons and help people to think.

As for you and seamaiden your misconceptions of what has gone on in the world and why aside I find you to be bright and good people. Seamaidens take on med wasn't far from mine and her people not valuing what they haven't worked for [some don't value what they have worked for and some like me value everthing] could be used in so many ways, I use it myself very often.
Tell me a bit of yourself?

Time to go read from your link.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:23 PM
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I beg you to view Nat'l Geo's "The Road to 9/11". It's a fairly comprehensive documentary that follows OBL from the Soviet-Afghan War to 9/11. In it you will see actual video showing OBL (then a member of the Mujahadin as Al Qaeda had not been formed then) alongside other rebels toting weapons up mountainside trails. I agree that he financed a lot of the war, but he was an active combatant as well.
His rifle was more of a affectation than a weapon. He didn't finance any of the war that I know of but he did get others to donate money and from what I know of it he seems to have kept some of it as what went through his hands didn't all seem show up in the field. He was in only one battle that I know of, and I think it was the only one. Much ado has been made of him, but his group did very little in the overall scheme of things. He has just had a lot of good publicity. Please believe me when I say that he was smart in more than a few ways, like sending money to the homes of the killed or injured, keeping contact with all of those who were of use ect. but the truth is he is more of a money man/figure head.

I wish to thank you for your link as I will not have need to use my caveat as now I can state for a fact that the CIA didn't train nor give any weapons at all, not only to the OBL group but any group of mujahideen period.



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No, I'm counterpointing your argument. In your post to Seamaiden you stated...


Which happens to be different from this statement:

You accused me of quoting you out of context (by dismissing the last half of your sentence)and now you have done just that. OBL was a volunteer early on with the Mujahadin rebels so I make no distinction between the two. He joined the cause, and yes, he financed a lot of the rebellion, but again, he was an active participant in the war against the Soviets....
I didn't accuse you, it was simply what you did and I said that you did it. It wasn't an accusation simply a fact.

You not making the distinction only shows your lack of understanding of what went on and why, because all of the different groups and there were very many made the distinction themselves and for good reason. None were as different as the arabs.

Remember that I can play word games very well myself and I don't forget. Not that I care about your play that much.

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