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Old 05-08-2008, 08:25 AM
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Jimmy Carter Amok
By Emmett Tyrrell
Thursday, April 17, 2008


WASHINGTON -- In the 1980 presidential election, the American people did the best they could with President Jimmy Carter, given the limitations imposed on them by our Constitution: They retired him from office (44 states participated in the ceremony). Looking back, however, on how the scamp has abused his retirement, I, for one, wish we could have done better. Perhaps he could have been put in a jar. He has, in the succeeding 27 years since his exit from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., remained almost as ruinous a nuisance out of office as he was in office. That cannot be said of any other president.

Just before Jimmy was given the heave-ho, the Misery Index, an index combining rates of inflation and unemployment, was at an all-time high of 21.98 percent -- up from 12.68 percent when he was elected in 1976. After his last full year as president, inflation was at 12.5 percent and unemployment at 7.2 percent. Today the Misery Index is at 8.83 percent, though the Democrats have not a nice thing to say about Jimmy's Republican successors. In Jimmy's day, the prime rate moved from 7 percent to 20 percent, and the home mortgage rate was almost 18 percent. Think about those figures this autumn when you are asked to choose between Sen. John McCain and either Sen. Barack Obama or Sen. Hillary Clinton, two Democrats with even less experience than Gov. Jimmy Carter in matters economic.

As for foreign policy, Jimmy presided over a steady decline in American influence, as the Soviets went on a worldwide offensive while the American military atrophied. American diplomats were jailed in their own embassy in Tehran, Iran, and the military rescue mission mounted by Jimmy to free them was one of the few American military embarrassments of the 20th century. Incidentally, Iran's present president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, played a major role in holding our diplomats, according to retired FBI agents who monitored Ahmadinejad's communications from Tehran to fellow conspirators then in New York.

Yet Jimmy remains quite full of himself. In fact, his sense of moral superiority has grown as the memory of his failed presidency recedes into history. Rather than retire to a library to read, as former President Harry Truman did, in the hope that he might understand what went wrong during the Carter administration, Jimmy founded The Carter Center for "waging peace, fighting disease, and building hope." Perhaps it is his intention to spread the failure of his presidency throughout the world. Think of it, a worldwide Misery Index of 21.98 percent!

There was a time when former presidents were reluctant to criticize their successors and absolutely refused to do so while on foreign soil. Jimmy broke from that discipline years ago. He attacked the Reagan administration from Cairo, Egypt, in 1984 by scoffing at the president for being "more inclined to form a Contra army to overthrow the Sandinistas or inject the Marines into Lebanon or use American battleships to shell villages around Beirut" than to negotiate. In the run-up to the Gulf War, he interposed himself, warning that if the George H.W. Bush administration attacked Iraq, the United States "would reap great and very serious deleterious consequences politically." To the consternation of Clinton administration officials in 1994, Jimmy popped up in North Korea to work out a nuclear agreement with President Kim Il Sung that proved utterly futile. The North Koreans detonated a nuclear device 12 years later.

Now against the wishes of the George W. Bush administration, Jimmy is in the Middle East, holding meetings with Hamas and laying a wreath on the grave of the deceased Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Hamas regularly lobs rockets and mortars into Israeli neighborhoods and is dedicated to Israel's destruction. Arafat was a famously corrupt leader of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and was responsible for the deaths of Americans and Israelis alike, as well as hundreds of other innocent people. Of course, the Bush administration's opposition to Jimmy's arrogant journey only encourages this impudent man.

The Israelis are ignoring his visit for the most part, after making it abundantly clear that they do not favor it. They are right to snub him. That he has been greeted by Hamas speaks volumes about the public life of Jimmy Carter. A failure as a president, Jimmy is appraised as a useful tool by our enemies.
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This kind of drivel warrants no reply except to say you must be a zionist. The palestines are dying 100-1 in any israeli-palestinian conflict. Those random rocket attacks are met with barrages of well aimed missles that destroy and kill on the ratio of about 100-1. Hamas is the duly elected government of Palestine. We need to recognize them and so do the Israelis. So Mr. Redberg Vistein what say you?
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When you say Isrealis do you mean the people who stole all that land from the Arabs. I just can't understand why the arabs would be mad at all the jews who forced them out of their homes and then treat them like second class citizens.
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When you say Isrealis do you mean the people who stole all that land from the Arabs.
They didn't steal anything it was their country along with the arabs that lived there when arabs from other contrys planed to come in to kill all of the jews some arabs left on their own thanking to come back when all the jews were dead to take over their property some were forced to leave by other arabs, some left from fear of being killed by the arabs when they came in laying waste to everthing. Some stayed and lived well in a country where they can vote. Although terrorists do rain rockets down on them and bring in bombs to kill.

Palestine is part of the countrys around israel, the arabs that left were labeled as palestinians kept pened up and added to by terrorists leaders, any arab who wanted to could join this group and at least get welfare and more if they or their kids would fight. Many arabs who wanted to join the jihad became palestinians, and over time this small group of captive palestinians has grown. The arabs plan has worked well, Hell even with all the oil money they have gotten the world to pay for these pets kept by the arabs for the destruction of israel.

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You really just don't know anything about it do you?
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I just can't understand why the arabs would be mad at all the jews who forced them out of their homes and then treat them like second class citizens.
You really just don't know anything about it do you?

It seems he knows as much as you, Put yourself in the place of a palestinian and see what it would look like to you. Don't you think those Palestinans and Jews are distant relatives anyway? They all basically came from the same area. The Jews need to divvy up the land and open the borders and leave those people alone. I'm pretty sure they could work it out if some cooler heads like Jimmy Carter that great ambassador of peace could be left to his agenda. It is the warmongering arms dealers and politicians that want to keep things stirred up.
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I just can't understand why the arabs would be mad at all the jews who forced them out of their homes and then treat them like second class citizens.
You really just don't know anything about it do you?

It seems he knows as much as you,
Do you really think so?

Do you think that you know as much as I do?

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Put yourself in the place of a palestinian and see what it would look like to you. Don't you think those Palestinans and Jews are distant relatives anyway? They all basically came from the same area.


Sure they are both semites, and being honest I see them mostly in the same way, but the jews don't want to kill all the palestinians and they more are civilized.

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The Jews need to divvy up the land and open the borders and leave those people alone.


Sure and the US should do the same with the mexicans as it would be the same thing.

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I'm pretty sure they could work it out if some cooler heads like Jimmy Carter that great ambassador of peace could be left to his agenda. It is the warmongering arms dealers and politicians that want to keep things stirred up.


Do you think because carter paid egypt and israel not fight that makes him an ambassador of peace?

Do you really think carter can talk moslems out of their jihad for the destruction of israel?

Do you not think that hundreds of rockets a week keeps things stirred up?

As I have stated before carter was the politician who was such a wimp that moslems felt safe to get stirred up hell what bad thing could happen to them? Carter giving them money?
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So your going to say that Carter was the worse president in History because of ONE YEAR. It seems that the days under Reagan weren't so good either... It seems that your figures are a litttle scewed as well, where it says that Carter's rate was at 21.98% it was actually 20.76%.
Reagan's Misery Index was 17.97 (not much better than Carter's) and was on an up turn by the time he left office.
From Personal expiriance I was employed more under Carter than I was under Reagan.
The United States Misery Index By Year

The US Misery Index - 1948 to 2007
Misery Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate

1948 11.49 Truman
1949 5.10
1950 6.30
1951 11.16
1952 5.32
1953 3.74 Eisenhower
1954 5.91
1955 4.09
1956 5.64
1957 7.64
1958 9.57
1959 6.46
1960 7.00
1961 7.76 Kennedy
1962 6.77
1963 6.88 Johnson
1964 6.44
1965 6.10
1966 6.80
1967 6.62
1968 7.83
1969 8.95 Nixon
1970 10.82
1971 10.25
1972 8.87
1973 11.02
1974 16.67 Ford
1975 17.68
1976 13.45
1977 13.55 Carter
1978 13.69
1979 17.07
1980 20.76
1981 17.97 Reagan
1982 15.87
1983 12.82
1984 11.81
1985 10.74
1986 8.91
1987 9.84
1988 9.57
1989 10.09 Bush, G.H.W.
1990 11.01
1991 11.10
1992 10.52
1993 9.87 Clinton
1994 8.71
1995 8.40
1996 8.34
1997 7.28
1998 6.05
1999 6.41
2000 7.35
2001 7.59 Bush, G.W.
2002 7.37
2003 8.26
2004 8.21
2005 8.48
2006 7.87
2007 7.46

Now Carter hardly qualifies as the worst president un US history.
The 10 Worst Presidents
Here are the facts:

Introduction
It's too soon to judge the current one, but for past presidents, the verdict is in. U.S. News has averaged the results of five polls to make a gallery of the worst chief executives. The years before the Civil War produced an era of failure: Six of seven presidents who served from 1841 to 1861 made the list.

1. James Buchanan (1857-1861)
He refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the growing bloc of states that became the Confederacy.

2. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)
He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury.

3. Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
He survived impeachment after opposing Reconstruction initiatives including the 14th amendment.

4. Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
His fervor for expanding the borders--thereby adding several slave states--helped set the stage for the Civil War.

5. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853)
He backed the Compromise of 1850 that delayed the Southern secession by allowing slavery to spread.

6. John Tyler (1841-1845)
He was a stalwart defender of slavery who abandoned his party’s platform once he was president.

7. Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877)
Serving right after Johnson, he presided over an outbreak of graft and corruption, but had good intentions.

8. William Harrison (1841)
He was president for all of 30 days after contracting pneumonia during his interminable inaugural.

9. (tie) Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
He was known as a poor communicator who fueled trade wars and exacerbated the Depression.

9. (tie) Richard Nixon (1969-1974)
Though politically gifted, he will forever be associated with the Watergate scandal and his resignation.

10. Zachary Taylor (1849-1850)
A political novice, the war hero is entirely forgettable as president.

A Survey of Major Polls
U.S. News examines five polls and determines the 13 lowest scoring presidents (including Jimmy Carter at 11th).
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They didn't steal anything it was their country along with the arabs that lived there...
True, not to mention that a vast majority of the land that was settled by the Jews was purchased "fair and square" from Arab landowners. In the early years of the last century, Jews purchased arid lands and began a campaign of transforming said arid land into fertile fields for growing. I do not support the Israeli government's actions toward the Palestinians but we have to look at the situation as accurately as we can. The Jews didn't steal land.

The taking of the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and West Bank during the Six Day War was legitimate IMHO. The surrounding countries threatened to wipe Israel off the map and the Israeli's handed their collective asses to them. Again, I don't support their policies today, but they mostly bought the lands from Arab landowners or took land as a result of war. As someone earlier mentioned, we (the US) provoked a war w/ Mexico and as a result gained much of the Southwest from them.
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Now I do think that History will show that George W Bush will skyrocket to the top of that list.
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