
05-11-2008, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dankdude Look, the Prelude for going to war was that the Saddam Regime was manufacturing WMDs, no such evidence was found. Where are the Chemical Manufacturing trucks that General Powell told the UN that Iraq had.
What was found was OLD Weapons.
Here is a List of what was found:- 50 deployed Al-Samoud 2 missiles
- Various equipment, including vehicles, engines and warheads, related to the AS2 missiles
- 2 large propellant casting chambers
- 14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas, the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres and still at high purity
- Approximately 500 ml of thiodiglycol
- Some 122 mm chemical warheads
- Some chemical equipment
- 224.6 kg of expired growth media
All of which were left over from our previous conflict with Iraq.
This was worth invading a country, installing a puppet regime and having a Head of State executed?
Please look up International law as it pertains to such actions.
For as little that was found is it worth 4,000 American lives? Not to mention the Lives of over 100,000 Iraqis?
The Current President is incompetent to say the least. | Look, Saddam dismantled all the shit he had been working on because HE HAD 6 MONTHS WARNING before we came. Its because all of the damn bureaucracy the president has to deal with that result in a red flag to Saddam's eyes. The system is broke.
What puppet regime are you talking about? We aren't placing who we want in charge of the infrastructure, they are doing they're own thing and they are very nationalistic.
More people die of bee stings a year than a year in Iraq, and everyone who is there signed up, if there was a draft in place I'd sing a different tune, but theres not.
And Fuck (with a capital F) all this international law and U.N. bullshit. They failed to do anything about Iraq for 10 years, they're method failed, we had to step in. In fact, the U.N. hasn't done anything, ever. They royally screw every negotiation and they fail at maintaining peace (BOSNIA!!!)
Every time I hear shit like "The President is incompetent" it renews my disappointment in the American public's mindset and intelligence.
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05-11-2008, 09:14 PM
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Look, Saddam dismantled all the shit he had been working on because HE HAD 6 MONTHS WARNING before we came. Its because all of the damn bureaucracy the president has to deal with that result in a red flag to Saddam's eyes. The system is broke.
| Not Fact, assumtion.
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05-11-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dankdude Not Fact, assumtion. | Then whats the reasoning that he refused U.N. inspectors on multiple occasions to view certain facilities?
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05-11-2008, 09:27 PM
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What puppet regime are you talking about? We aren't placing who we want in charge of the infrastructure, they are doing they're own thing and they are very nationalistic.
| We put up the Candidates. Quote: |
More people die of bee stings a year than a year in Iraq, and everyone who is there signed up, if there was a draft in place I'd sing a different tune, but theres not.
| Great mantra (I happen to be one of those people who can die if stung, I carry an Epi pen) It still doesn't make it right to send Kids to their deaths over what amounts to bullshit.
Tell this to Army 1st Lt. Benjamin T. Britt's mother, I see her every day, she's a Nurse at my son's School
You still didn't tell me where those trucks are. Why don't you ask your dad 
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05-11-2008, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenMaster Then whats the reasoning that he refused U.N. inspectors on multiple occasions to view certain facilities? | Who knows, Power trip maybe (Megalomaniac leaders are like that), but it still doesn't prove a think.... it is merely an assumption, not a fact.
I'm not saying that Saddam didn't have it coming, But all we had to do is just press the fact that he was committing genocide and the UN would have been bound by The UN Charter to act.
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05-11-2008, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dankdude We put up the Candidates. Great mantra (I happen to be one of those people who can die if stung, I carry an Epi pen) It still doesn't make it right to send Kids to their deaths over what amounts to bullshit.
Tell this to Army 1st Lt. Benjamin T. Britt's mother, I see her every day, she's a Nurse at my son's School
You still didn't tell me where those trucks are. Why don't you ask your dad  | No, we didn't. Your making shit up, right off the top of your head.
Well, I do not believe it amounts to bullshit, that is your opinion, and try not to pull this guilt shit on me.
And, what trucks? When did you ask?
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05-11-2008, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dankdude Who knows, Power trip maybe (Megalomaniac leaders are like that), but it still doesn't prove a think.... it is merely an assumption, not a fact.
I'm not saying that Saddam didn't have it coming, But all we had to do is just press the fact that he was committing genocide and the UN would have been bound by The UN Charter to act. | By the logic, he wouldn't even let them come to his country in the first place, not pick and choose what they can and cannot see.
Again, the U.N. is incapable of doing anything.
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05-11-2008, 09:51 PM
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| | Still you haven't proven a thing, you are assuming that Saddam dismantled any weapons.
No,I'm not making shit up, again you are assuminig... We made sure that only people who ran were friendly to the United States. I asked about the trucks here: Quote: Look, the Prelude for going to war was that the Saddam Regime was manufacturing WMDs, no such evidence was found. Where are the Chemical Manufacturing trucks that General Powell told the UN that Iraq had.
What was found was OLD Weapons. | As far as the Guilt shit (as you say) it hurts when it's close to home don't it?
I knew 1st Lt. Benjamin T. Britt personally, I went to his funeral, I saluted the Boy.
His mother is still mentally fucked up over it. Here your treading on really dangerous ground.
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05-11-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dankdude Still you haven't proven a thing, you are assuming that Saddam dismantled any weapons.
No,I'm not making shit up, again you are assuminig... We made sure that only people who ran were friendly to the United States. I asked about the trucks here: As far as the Guilt shit (as you say) it hurts when it's close to home don't it?
I knew 1st Lt. Benjamin T. Britt personally, I went to his funeral, I saluted the Boy.
His mother is still mentally fucked up over it. Here your treading on really dangerous ground. | His suspicious behavior and refusal for letting U.N. inspectors make sure he wasn't producing WMDs is called probable cause. Same thing the cops use if they smell the shit reeking in your car.
Yes you are making shit up, if your not, prove that we are putting who we want in charge of Iraq's infrastructure, or shut up.
As far as the trucks thing, I honestly don't give a shit, I never liked Powell and I'm glad he's gone.
Your trying to pull the same guilt shit that Letterman uses on O'Reilly. He gave the name of a mother who is vehemently against the Iraq war because she lost her son, and Letterman asks if O'Reilly lost anyone due to Iraq and he said no, so Letterman basically says "so shut up". However, O'Reilly's response was, so do you think that one mother should voice over all the mothers who have their sons and daughters serving in Iraq. The answer is no. I am fortunate that my father was not killed nor any of my friends currently in Iraq, but I have spoken to those who have had the pain of loss from Iraq and as sad as they are they don't rampage across the media hating on Bush and all that jazz, they just felt like their sons were doing their duty. I am not heartless, far from it, but I hate it when people try to win arguments with guilt. Second-Hand guilt at that.
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05-11-2008, 10:23 PM
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| | Quote: | His suspicious behavior and refusal for letting U.N. inspectors make sure he wasn't producing WMDs is called probable cause. | Still doesn't prove a thing, it's an assumption. No new weapons were found, all old bullshit left over from the last war with them Quote: |
Yes you are making shit up, if your not, prove that we are putting who we want in charge of Iraq's infrastructure, or shut up.
| No I see you are losing your cool, which means you can't prove me wrong... LOL your snatching at straws.
I gotta go to bed..... I have a job to go to in the morning.
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