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Dankdude · #51 05-11-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hemlockstones

Just some facts for ya

First President to violate Department of Defense regulations prohibiting the use of uniformed miliary as props.

Bush is the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First cokehead in the White House

First National Guard deserter

Lost more jobs in his first year than any President in history

Broke more international treaties than any in history

First President to close down the Post Office for three successive days (and if that isn't impeachable, what is?)

Lowest job growth in American history

More debt than all previous President's combined (WHOA!!!)

First administration to out a CIA agent for partisan reasons

Largest worldwide protests against the Iraq War

Presided over the worst terror attack in world history

First President since the Civil War to lose an American city

First President thought by many leading historians to be The Worst President Ever™.

Spying on his people more than any administration since Stalin

First President to use a wire ("Dick? Dick!? I can't hear you!")

First President on antidepressants (& God know what else)

More vacation time than any other (which is a blessing for the country, really)

1st case of espionage in the White House

1st security breach of White House press room

Biggest intelligence failure in American history!

Worst response ever by a federal disaster agency

Highest incidents of suspected election fraud

Biggest deficit ever

1st fake and/or paid "journalists" in WH press corps.

1st institutional use of torture.

Highest disparity of wealth in US history.

Largest increase in poverty since the depression.

1st loss of entire major US city.

First President to lose jobs on a monthly basis in 60 years.

First President in ten years under whom median household income fell.

Seven of the worst bankruptcies in U.S. history under Bush.

First time in ten years incomes fell. U.S. Census Bureau

first President since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

Has shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in history.

Bush's tenure set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Bush cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

Bush set the all-time record for any president presiding during the most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Bush set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history. (here)

Bush appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (here)

Bush presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

Bush is the all-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years every single economic category headed straight down.

First adminstration not to allow caskets of fallen soldiers to be viewed by the general public

For the first time in history the Department of Justice has barred its employees from holding its annual gay-pride event, DOJ Pride.

Bush has spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

Bush presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Bush dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Bush is the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Bush refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abides by the Geneva Convention.

Bush set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.

Members of Bush's cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.

largest exodus of career experts in every branch of the administration due to crony/idealogue appointments, from CIA to DOJ to EPA to NWS.

In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.

First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over70%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

The biggest security failure in the history of the United States (still uninvestigated)

The first President to spend over 20% of his time on vacation or at Camp David.

The first U.S. President to invade another country.

First President to have 40% approval ratings less than a year in to their second term.

For the first time in 40 years Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year.

He has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest him in public venues (15 million people according to New York Times), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

First President in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

The most secretive and un-accountable of any administration in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market frauds of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations that bid for government contracts.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the civil war.

For the first time in our history, a significant number of administration officials and supporters, including perhaps the President himself, must keep themselves and their party in power to avoid criminal indictment, conviction, and imprisonment.

Caused the infant mortality rate to go up for the first time in 40 years

Most corrupt adminstration ever.

Most hated President ever--the low poll numbers you see are heavily rigged in his favor.

First President with blowjob skills (Dick? Dick!?")

and some more facts

Perry Logan - The Perry Logan Show,

he's video's are a bit bombastic, but true.

Pretty much sums it up.....
Jimmy Carter is in 11th place on the worse president ever as far as historians are concerned. When Bush is out of office he will be moved down to number 12.

Oh and Vi, the Geneva Convention doesn't just cover combatants in Uniform, it covers all combatants.... So water boarding is against the Geneva Convention, it's torture plain and simple.

mockingbird131313 · #52 05-11-2008, 11:08 AM

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The Geneva Conventions were intended for uniformed, military prisoners. Those who were water boarded (all three of them) were non-uniformed, enemy combatants. These are people who hide among women and children. They hide in mosques. They look like any other citizen on the battlefield. They fight like the cowards they are. I say ... the three that were water boarded was a good start.

The Left is simply amazing. In their hatred for president Bush, they will go to any lengths, including siding with the enemy and lament water boarding as inhumane ... and yet, they turn a blind eye to the 40,000,000 American children that have been lost to infanticide under the guise of praising the god of convienience. In fact, they encourage it.

Vi

You are waisting your time explaining the Geneva Conventions to our "expert" Dank. It is a shame, because he often makes valuable insights on many subjects, yet he claims to understand this subject and does not.

The Geneva Conventions has NOTHING to with international terrorists. If it protected international terrorists then Ted Kaczynski, The Unibomber, should be freed from SuperMax. This whole discussion is absurd.

ViRedd · #53 05-11-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mockingbird131313

You are waisting your time explaining the Geneva Conventions to our "expert" Dank. It is a shame, because he often makes valuable insights on many subjects, yet he claims to understand this subject and does not.

The Geneva Conventions has NOTHING to with international terrorists. If it protected international terrorists then Ted Kaczynski, The Unibomber, should be freed from SuperMax. This whole discussion is absurd.

Thank you Mockingbird.

The Dankster is a good guy, really. He's just confused, or perhaps caught up in the anti-Bush rhetoric being foisted off on the public by uber left-wing zealots. You know the old adage ... if a lie is told often enough, many will take it for the truth. Take Hemlockstone's post for example. It's so full of holes it isn't even funny. I'd tear it apart point by point, but its so damned long that I don't even know were to start.

Vi

ZenMaster · #54 05-11-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dankdude

Really? Where is ths proof? Put up or shut up.

WMD: Believe Iraq or Believe the Evidence?

1) The intelligence communities of every major country were confident that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before 2003. These include the United States, Canada, France, the United Nations, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Australia, Japan, even Iran and a slew of others. It was a working assumption that such WMD was in Iraq, so much that I never heard accusations that it wasn’t true until the political war heated up in March, 2003.
2) Colin Powell’s presentation at the UN in February 2003 proved that Iraq was deceiving UN inspectors. What is there to hide?
3) In 1995, a high-ranking Iraqi defector proved Iraq was building WMD despite the UN restrictions. After this was revealed, Iraq admitted it had violated UN restrictions. Why should we believe Iraq was in compliance with the UN today, when Saddam hasn’t in the past?
4) As shown in the Kay interim report, there were thousands of items that Saddam had that could be used in WMD programs. These are usually dual-use items—items that have an apparently “civilian” use and are bought as such, but then when coupled with other items, can make WMD goods. If Saddam violated sanctions, as we know for a fact, why should we believe he had respect for other UN demands? And why would he violate such sanctions to gain such items?
5) As shown in the Kay interim report, why was such an enormous amount of material not declared as required by the UN?
6) Much of the suspected WMDs can fit in a package the size of a palm of a hand. Together, almost all of the WMDs could fit in a two-car parking garage. Why do people expect us to find such items already? Saddam has had 12 years to make programs to deceive Western intelligence, and 4 years to do so without ANY Western interference. And only recently, Coalition forces found fighter jets under the desert sand. If we just recently found huge fighter jets, how can people complain we haven’t found WMD yet?
7) After Iraq admitted producing a certain amount of WMD, disarmament by the UN began. How come a large portion was not disarmed by the UN and Iraq first admitted that it was not disarmed, only to later say they destroyed them “unilaterally”? Why didn’t the Saddam regime just destroy them with UN supervision like the rest of them?

There has been lots of evidence that Iraq infiltrated UN inspection and intelligence teams. Why are people surprised the UN didn’t find any WMD?
9) The UN recognized that Iraq was engaged in illicit activity and was not disarming by passing 18 resolutions demanding that Iraq did so. Are we going to believe Saddam Hussein over the world community?
10) With extensive business interests in Iraq, why are people surprised that countries like Russia, France and Germany opposed war with Saddam Hussein’s regime?
11) Bill Clinton is the one who originally put the focus on Saddam Hussein’s WMD possession and links to terrorists. How come when he bombed Iraq in 1998 for four days, there wasn’t such a political outcry that he may be wrong about WMD?
12) It is obvious that weapons would be hidden in the Sunni triangle, the most loyal area to the regime. Today, this area is still not pacified to the extent that would allow a full-fledged search in civilian homes and such. Without the most suspect area fully pacified, why are people jumping to the conclusion that WMDs are a lie?
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Also, he had a 6 month warning that we were going to invade, now why would he be stupid enough to have them sitting around by the time we ended up coming? Where is your response to that?

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I said the Country was bankrupt, not Saddam..

What you said was

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There is absolutely no proof that they were manufacturing WMDs, in fact Iraq was just about bankrupt and it would have been only a matter of years before Saddam would have been overthrown had we not interfered.

No, Iraq itself wasn't almost bankrupt either, and also, why in the hell do you think the Iraq people would overthrow Saddam? He had them right where he wanted, pinned down in such a state of fear from his name alone that any kind of action would be immediately quelled, you sir, are foolish.

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Yes you do, you are still stying to avoid the issue.

You are quite unbelievable, the analogy that your little article spewed out was-
"If he had been president at the beginning of the Second World War, Bush would have responded to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the Nazi declaration of war on the United States by invading Romania. But, surprisingly, this Iraq fiasco is not the most dangerous thing the president has done."

First off, the Nazi's declared war on the U.S. after we declared war on Japan, so by that logic, Germany wouldn't have declared on us. And why I felt the need to not waste my time trying to help you understand why that analogy is retarded is because we invaded Iraq on a number of issues, not just because of the WTC, why cannot you understand this?

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You assume that I'm a Democrat, which I'm not. Sencond this may be a suprise... I was a life long Republican until the second year of Bush's first term.

I assumed you jumped on the "I H8 BUSH" Bandwagon just like everyone else did because CNN told you to, and I was correct.

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Matter of opinion.

Fact.

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I still have Family over in Iraq and have for the duration of the war, Now your father may have a little insight into the war, That is only from one angle I still talk to my family as to what's going on over there. Hell I just had a cousin who just retired from the Air Force as a Master Sargent who did 2 tours in Iraq and 2 tours in Afghanistan. Want to try again NEWBIE?
Again, Have you ever done one day in the military? as you are not your dad.

You still have family over there? Congratulations, me too. Yeah I do want to put you in your place, newbie, because you are needing a good lesson on whats for real over there.

To your second question, no, but I see your getting desperate, you want to try to void out my whole arguments and defense I have for Bush and the war because I have not served, only communicate directly to people who have been there for years. Have you personally been there, tough guy? If you have any questions, I'll put my dad on the line here and he'll happily answer any questions you might have.

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Originally Posted by Dankdude

Saddam did not tolerate Al Qaeda in his country, and when he found them, He exicuted them.

Actually, he gave them money, he wanted them on his side.

ViRedd · #55 05-11-2008, 02:15 PM

From Zen's post ...

"If you have any questions, I'll put my dad on the line here and he'll happily answer any questions you might have."

Now THAT would be great!

Vi

Dankdude · #56 05-11-2008, 07:30 PM

Read it and weep.

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ZenMaster · #57 05-11-2008, 07:53 PM

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Read it and weep.

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, I can go in Wikipedia and write what I want to, is my evidence to compelling that you must resort to wiki?

Dankdude · #58 05-11-2008, 07:59 PM

Read the Part about the Shelf life of certain chemical agents.

ZenMaster · #59 05-11-2008, 08:00 PM

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Read the Part about the Shelf life of certain chemical agents.

Re-read, no, read in the first place, the evidence I provided.

Dankdude · #60 05-11-2008, 08:43 PM

Look, the Prelude for going to war was that the Saddam Regime was manufacturing WMDs, no such evidence was found. Where are the Chemical Manufacturing trucks that General Powell told the UN that Iraq had.
What was found was OLD Weapons.

Here is a List of what was found:

50 deployed Al-Samoud 2 missiles
Various equipment, including vehicles, engines and warheads, related to the AS2 missiles
2 large propellant casting chambers
14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas, the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres and still at high purity
Approximately 500 ml of thiodiglycol
Some 122 mm chemical warheads
Some chemical equipment
224.6 kg of expired growth media

All of which were left over from our previous conflict with Iraq.

This was worth invading a country, installing a puppet regime and having a Head of State executed?

Please look up International law as it pertains to such actions.

For as little that was found is it worth 4,000 American lives? Not to mention the Lives of over 100,000 Iraqis?

The Current President is incompetent to say the least.