There is significant amount of proof they were manufacturing WMDs.

Saddam was bankrupt?! You are full of shit. 960 million dollars, 3 stashes we found, used money. You lose. (food for oil as well)

I do not have to elaborate how that analogy is retarded, it is totally irrelevant and you are grasping for insults.

Speaking of flustering bills, you democrats keep vetoing Bush's plans to help the economy and the liberals also vetoed his social security plan and you wonder why it is going downhill.

You lose, hardcore, I have better debates with GrowRebel.

And by the way, my father, who I just picked up at the airport, was in Iraq for the last 4 years and is now sitting next to me, so you wanna keep debating me newbie?

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Well, you're "stacking" arguments as well.

American civil law and Constitutional law doesn't apply to non-military, enemy combatants either. What would you have us do, try them in our civil courts?

Where has America lost its will? If I had my way, any non-uniformed terrorist caught in armed conflict with our troops on the battlefield would be executed on the spot.

Vi

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how hard was it to get that "W" sticker off the back off ur car?

Valid: Facts, Logic, Arguments.

Invalid: Name-Calling, Guilt by Association, Unsupported Allegations.



Vi

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Originally Posted by Dankdude
Iraq Wasn't a refuge for Al Qaeda until we invaded them

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Yeah thats slightly true. However it is known that he sent money to families that bore suicide bombers and shit trying to recruit anyone he could to get the West out of the Middle East, most of them knew that Saddam would turn on them in the end.

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Hey Vi,

What's that phone number?

MB

True, but that doesn't mean that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded. They're two separate facts. Most of those monies were being funneled to Palestinians against Israel...not Al Qaeda.

Just some facts for ya

First President to violate Department of Defense regulations prohibiting the use of uniformed miliary as props.

Bush is the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First cokehead in the White House

First National Guard deserter

Lost more jobs in his first year than any President in history

Broke more international treaties than any in history

First President to close down the Post Office for three successive days (and if that isn't impeachable, what is?)

Lowest job growth in American history

More debt than all previous President's combined (WHOA!!!)

First administration to out a CIA agent for partisan reasons

Largest worldwide protests against the Iraq War

Presided over the worst terror attack in world history

First President since the Civil War to lose an American city

First President thought by many leading historians to be The Worst President Ever™.

Spying on his people more than any administration since Stalin

First President to use a wire ("Dick? Dick!? I can't hear you!")

First President on antidepressants (& God know what else)

More vacation time than any other (which is a blessing for the country, really)

1st case of espionage in the White House

1st security breach of White House press room

Biggest intelligence failure in American history!

Worst response ever by a federal disaster agency

Highest incidents of suspected election fraud

Biggest deficit ever

1st fake and/or paid "journalists" in WH press corps.

1st institutional use of torture.

Highest disparity of wealth in US history.

Largest increase in poverty since the depression.

1st loss of entire major US city.

First President to lose jobs on a monthly basis in 60 years.

First President in ten years under whom median household income fell.

Seven of the worst bankruptcies in U.S. history under Bush.

First time in ten years incomes fell. U.S. Census Bureau

first President since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

Has shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in history.

Bush's tenure set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Bush cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

Bush set the all-time record for any president presiding during the most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Bush set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history. (here)

Bush appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (here)

Bush presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

Bush is the all-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years every single economic category headed straight down.

First adminstration not to allow caskets of fallen soldiers to be viewed by the general public

For the first time in history the Department of Justice has barred its employees from holding its annual gay-pride event, DOJ Pride.

Bush has spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

Bush presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Bush dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Bush is the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Bush refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abides by the Geneva Convention.

Bush set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.

Members of Bush's cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.

largest exodus of career experts in every branch of the administration due to crony/idealogue appointments, from CIA to DOJ to EPA to NWS.

In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.

First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over70%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

The biggest security failure in the history of the United States (still uninvestigated)

The first President to spend over 20% of his time on vacation or at Camp David.

The first U.S. President to invade another country.

First President to have 40% approval ratings less than a year in to their second term.

For the first time in 40 years Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year.

He has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest him in public venues (15 million people according to New York Times), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

First President in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

The most secretive and un-accountable of any administration in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market frauds of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations that bid for government contracts.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the civil war.

For the first time in our history, a significant number of administration officials and supporters, including perhaps the President himself, must keep themselves and their party in power to avoid criminal indictment, conviction, and imprisonment.

Caused the infant mortality rate to go up for the first time in 40 years

Most corrupt adminstration ever.

Most hated President ever--the low poll numbers you see are heavily rigged in his favor.

First President with blowjob skills (Dick? Dick!?")


and some more facts

Perry Logan - The Perry Logan Show,

he's video's are a bit bombastic, but true.

Really? Where is ths proof? Put up or shut up.

I said the Country was bankrupt, not Saddam..

Yes you do, you are still stying to avoid the issue

You assume that I'm a Democrat, which I'm not. Sencond this may be a suprise... I was a life long Republican until the second year of Bush's first term.

Matter of opinion.

I still have Family over in Iraq and have for the duration of the war, Now your father may have a little insight into the war, That is only from one angle I still talk to my family as to what's going on over there. Hell I just had a cousin who just retired from the Air Force as a Master Sargent who did 2 tours in Iraq and 2 tours in Afghanistan. Want to try again NEWBIE?
Again, Have you ever done one day in the military? as you are not your dad.

Saddam did not tolerate Al Qaeda in his country, and when he found them, He exicuted them.

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