
05-01-2008, 05:53 PM
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| | Charlie Wilson's War | | Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
Interesting movie, it basically follows congressman Charlie Wilson (R-Tx) and his direct involvement in supplying arms and funds to Afganistan during the Russian invasion.
Its a good watch and I recommend it to all of you following politics, it even mentions me in the movie 
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05-01-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenMaster Charlie Wilson's War (2007)
Interesting movie, it basically follows congressman Charlie Wilson (R-Tx) and his direct involvement in supplying arms and funds to Afganistan during the Russian invasion.
Its a good watch and I recommend it to all of you following politics, it even mentions me in the movie  | I hear it didn't even once mention the Carter Administration's funding (and supply of weapons) via the CIA of the Mujahadin even before the invasion of the Soviets. Is that so? | 
05-01-2008, 06:12 PM
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| | Before the invasion? No. The movie took place during the invasion and Wilson's gradual involvement with it via the CIA with Gust Avrakotos Gust Avrakotos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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05-01-2008, 08:24 PM
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| | Well I suppose I'll check it out someday. My fear is that it'll turn out to be historically inaccurate as many hollywood movies often are. | 
05-02-2008, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by VTXDave Well I suppose I'll check it out someday. My fear is that it'll turn out to be historically inaccurate as many hollywood movies often are. | I saw it, pretty entertaining. Don't know how accurate it was. I guess if it mentioned Zenhole, he could be Osama Bin Laden,Eh?~LOL~. Maybe Dickhead Cheney. I'll bet that Zenhole is really a Dick, Cheney or otherwise.
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05-02-2008, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VTXDave I hear it didn't even once mention the Carter Administration's funding (and supply of weapons) via the CIA of the Mujahadin even before the invasion of the Soviets. Is that so? | This is the second time I have read this from you and as I don't know of this, I don't think that its the truth. I would like you tell me whats your point for saying this?
I agree with Vi that Carter was the worst president that I know of and for sure within my lifetime.
Are you trying to connect him to the invasion?
Are you saying that he wasn't wimp and that the moslem brotherhood and their ilk didn't see his presidency as a time for change?
Do you have any proof of this?
I'm sure having written this twice you have a point to make, so please make it for me/yourself and others. if you would.
Having a good grasp of the facts. I can't see any reason why any of the pertinent facts would be changed and to be honest I can see little reason to change anything, hell it would make a good movie without any change. But thats just what I think, and if the timing is right I will watch it, but I will not go out of my way.
I think med could learn a few things from this movie. If you remember the chinese AK-47s thing med. | 
05-02-2008, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by may This is the second time I have read this from you and as I don't know of this, I don't think that its the truth. I would like you tell me whats your point for saying this?
I agree with Vi that Carter was the worst president that I know of and for sure within my lifetime.
Are you trying to connect him to the invasion?
Are you saying that he wasn't wimp and that the moslem brotherhood and their ilk didn't see his presidency as a time for change?
Do you have any proof of this?
I'm sure having written this twice you have a point to make, so please make it for me/yourself and others. if you would.
Having a good grasp of the facts. I can't see any reason why any of the pertinent facts would be changed and to be honest I can see little reason to change anything, hell it would make a good movie without any change. But thats just what I think, and if the timing is right I will watch it, but I will not go out of my way.
I think med could learn a few things from this movie. If you remember the chinese AK-47s thing med. | OK... CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan Quote: | Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. | Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor at the time.
This quote adds a nice touch as well... Quote: |
I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.
| If you'd like a more detailed description of how the Carter Administration was involved prior to the invasion, may I suggest "Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire" by Chalmers Johnson. A rather sobering read.
So you see, by his Nat'l Security Advisor's own words, one might say that the Carter Administration precipitated the Soviet invasion, yes?
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05-02-2008, 11:08 AM
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| | Well then, since it was the Afghanistan-soviet war that brought down the soviet empire, you might say that Carter was a genious, right? I mean all the repukes did was talk about how to do it and Carter did it, Genious. Now you may also have to say that Osama Bin Laden was/is a genious for bringing down America. He picked the right idiot president to unleash his war and the idiot fell right into his trap and invaded Iraq. As in what goes around comes around. We're fucked, thanks Osama/Bush. I think they may be in Cahoots as if you remember after 911, Bush flew all the Bin Ladens out of the US when no other planes could fly. Also, the Bin Ladens are old time financial backers of Papa Bush and Jr.
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05-02-2008, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VTXDave OK... CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor at the time.
This quote adds a nice touch as well...
If you'd like a more detailed description of how the Carter Administration was involved prior to the invasion, may I suggest "Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire" by Chalmers Johnson. A rather sobering read.
So you see, by his Nat'l Security Advisor's own words, one might say that the Carter Administration precipitated the Soviet invasion, yes? | Hell I know all that but you havn't shown where any arms ect were given and as I said do you have any proof of this?
I take it what you said was a hit on carter.
What you should know is the aid was in the form of covert propaganda and that was what carter's executive order was for.
The soviets had Daoud killed after he proclaimed a republic and eased up on the people somewhat and then Taraki set up a marxist regime. The soviets had a lot of boots on the ground for years before this and the soviets started deployment of the 40th army a month after carter signed the order. Do you really think that the propaganda was so good and fast that that was what brought the 40th in?
I see little reason to read a book by some spinmaster.
Do you have any proof of what you have stated?
Yes I have read Brzezinski's words on this and they were just him bragging, but I have never read him saying that arms or any such were given, if you know of any such please let me know. | 
05-02-2008, 12:50 PM
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| | Well, there were those pesky stinger missles and those pesky chinese AK 47s, But who knows, it could have been the tooth fairy. I imagine a few of those chinese AK47s have bit a few of our boys, don't you?
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