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Posted April 3, 2008 7:00 AM

by Andrew Malcolm

Jane Fonda, the actress and ardent anti-Vietnam war advocate who visited North Vietnam during those hostilities, has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.


There were no formal ceremonies for the endorsement. In fact, the Obama campaign may just be learning about the actress's approval now as word spreads like lit gunpowder via the Internet.

Fonda was eating out last night and exited the restaurant, ignoring as celebrities often do the assembled press contingent.

But a video camera was rolling as she approached the street and someone, perhaps just trying to get her to turn around for a picture, shouted out at her back, "Who are you going to vote for?"

There was a moment of silence. Then, the actress did turn around toward the cameras, paused and with a smile said simply, "Obama!" Then she got into a car and drove away.


any people question the value of celebrity endorsements, whether they actually.attract anything other than simply more publicity, not to mention votes. The imprimatur of Fonda, who's been an antiwar activist for decades, certainly supports Obama's anti-war credentials.

Less examined is whether some celebrity endorsements may actually cost a candidate votes. This could be one of those less desirable votes for part of the country, especially if Obama was hoping to attract some crossover Republicans if he's the Democratic candidate come fall.

Obama, who was recently named the most liberal member of the Senate by the nonpartisan National Journal, has sought to portray himself as the earliest anti-Iraq war opponent and tagged his sole remaining opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton, with voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

The problem for those of a certain generation that endured the Vietnam war and the sometimes violent domestic conflict that accompanied it at home is that during Fonda's controversial wartime visit to North Vietnam, she was photographed at a Communist anti-aircraft gun battery.

According to the photo caption distributed at the time, she joined North Vietnamese soldiers there in singing an anti-war song while preparing to shoot at attacking Americans.

This earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane (indeed, that's the TMZ headline this afternoon) and an enduring image as a polarizing figure, especially regarding patriotism.

As it happens, the Republican presidential candidate this time is Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was one of those American fliers shot down over that same city by those same anti-aircraft forces, tortured and spent nearly six years in a POW cell while Fonda returned home.

Andrew Malcolm writes for Top of the Ticket, the L.A. Times political blog.

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"Thanks Jane, I love you" Funny you should mention her, she is one of my personal heroes. I am a viet-Nam era soldier that thought what she did was a good thing. They way it was presented by the MSM was wrong. Just like they sold the public on the swiftboat bullshit, they scorned Jane for the same reasons: what she said was the truth and there is no place for truth in capitalist America. Truth would end the fiasco, think about it. Everyone from the used car salesman to the dad coming home late, to the CEO to the president lies with impunity. It is the American way. If everyone had to face the truth, this society would disentegrate in about ten seconds. "hello dear, I just fucked the secretary before I left work" to "Let's go Blow up some oil rich country and put all the good old boys to work on the backs of the poor dumb working stiffs", "WE may kill a few million, but what the fuck, we'll all get rich" Yeah Jane sure was a traitor, trying to make peace. You ever wonder why we fought the Viet-nam war, the real reasons, the truth. I'm sure a few wondered, I sure did. I won't bore you with them, you probably know what I'd say, Huge oil deposits in the Mekong-delta, yatta-yatta-yatta.
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Man, you have such a warped sense of your country, Med. Not dissing you ... so don't get excited. It's amazing to me how anyone your age, growing up in this country, could have a view such as yours. I mean, its such a negative outlook. I wonder how you came out of the Vietnam conflict loving Jane Fonda ... while at the same time, knowing what John McCain's experience was. Honest to God, Med ... you "love" Jane Fonda? She collaborated with the enemy! 60,000 of your fellow Vietnam buddies had their graves pissed on by Fonda. Jeezes man, do you celebrate when you go to the Holocaust Museum?

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And the Main Stream Media (Walter Cronkite) would have you believe that we lost.

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wow that is the first vietnam vet I have ever heard say they love Fonda.Almost stiffling to hear that..Didnt help obama any thats for sure lol My uncles were in nam and they always talk about wishing they could kill her lol
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Man, you have such a warped sense of your country, Med. Not dissing you ... so don't get excited. It's amazing to me how anyone your age, growing up in this country, could have a view such as yours. I mean, its such a negative outlook. I wonder how you came out of the Vietnam conflict loving Jane Fonda ... while at the same time, knowing what John McCain's experience was. Honest to God, Med ... you "love" Jane Fonda? She collaborated with the enemy! 60,000 of your fellow Vietnam buddies had their graves pissed on by Fonda. Jeezes man, do you celebrate when you go to the Holocaust Museum?

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See, you, the one that talks shit about the MSM has swallowed the Fonda story hook line and sinker. Look, the MSM has been fucked for years. They were telling the same lies about the Nam war as they are telling today Jane went to talk to the Viet Namese army to get their side to the story, actually the right side. They were invaded by a foriegn country (us) after throwing the french out. They wanted autonomy. we had set up a puppet government, much like the one in Iraq and separated the country, north and south, we then brought in hundreds of thousands of troops and the most sophisticated weapons of the era and got our asses kicked by a bunch of peasants with the best rifle on the planet, the AK47. The holocast museum has nothing to do with Jane Fonda, just another of your smarmy remarks that makes me want to do physical damage to your body.
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See, you, the one that talks shit about the MSM has swallowed the Fonda story hook line and sinker. Look, the MSM has been fucked for years. They were telling the same lies about the Nam war as they are telling today Jane went to talk to the Viet Namese army to get their side to the story, actually the right side. They were invaded by a foriegn country (us) after throwing the french out. They wanted autonomy. we had set up a puppet government, much like the one in Iraq and separated the country, north and south, we then brought in hundreds of thousands of troops and the most sophisticated weapons of the era and got our asses kicked by a bunch of peasants with the best rifle on the planet, the AK47. The holocast museum has nothing to do with Jane Fonda, just another of your smarmy remarks that makes me want to do physical damage to your body.
Nope, we got our asses kicked by a Democrat administration and congress who wanted to micro-manage the war. Remember McNamara?

Here's an excerpt from one of Hanoi Jane's speeches:

On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism." Washington Times July 7, 2000


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