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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.

if apocolypse is supposed to happen when we least expect it, but we keep expecting it, then will it ever happen. people are always predicting the end of the world. this is an example of which. OH NO THINGS ARE CHANGING AGAIN!!!!

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Okay, there are two minds. Isn't there always (at least)?

Is it worth the risk? If we CAN change things why not do it? This world is too concerned with money, and we don't feel that we're ready to change our attitudes. This is fear, this is laziness. The future of mankind could be at stake, and all people want to do is argue.

I agree Dank, global warming is a natural occurence. We are merely speeding things up and beyond to a degree never witnessed by this earth. Surely, it just isn't worth the risk. If we can do something we should do it. To just lie down and take a kicking should not be an option for any one of us. Unfortunately we have gotten lazy, half of us afraid of our own shadows. There will always be sheep, yet our (elected) leaders are weak.

I'm more in agreement with med', there's something sinister at work here. I can only think of the oil companies. Who else stands to lose money?

Yes Vi', I agree the muslim threat is vast. Yet this only threatens our society. Global Warming on a scale the world has never seen before threatens mankind's very existence.

i have heard both extremes of this also skunky, one libertarian i know actually argues that smog cools the planet, protects us from UV... one commy i know thinks we should all use bikes. the plain truth is that we should be good stewards of this planet for the future generations. asia and the middle east are the biggest polluters though, and since when do they care?

Ok so it is quite hard to prove factually that man kind is forwarding the global warming timescale. As we will only know the effects once they are happening.

However it is plain to see the effects that man kind has on this planet and how much better off it would be without us. A few weeks ago we had gale force winds which knocked down people walls fences and also took out a few lorries. I drove past a parkland area and saw that quite a few trees had come down with the wind too. Then I noticed some workmen were picking up the branches and trees and getting rid of them. If mankind didnt exist what would have happened the tree would have fallen and decomposed and made life over again, the planets reproductive cycle. Mankind gets in the way of nature as often as possible.

How many creatures has mankind made extinct?
How many different resources have been drained from the earth by mankind?
How many different toxic fumes have been released into the enviromnet by mankind?
How does the ozone and the environment get affected every time nasa decides to pump out extreme amounts of pollutant fuel in a space mission?
How much rubbish has mankind dumped underground in landfill sites?

There is so much were doing that i could have gone on for ages but ultimately how can anyone say that man kind isnt having a detremental affect on the climate and the ozone with all the shit we do?

From what I have read and checked out, it seems that the Global Warming IS a natural occuring thing. The temperature on Mars has also risen a few degrees from its normal temperature basically saying that it has something to do with the sun. Of couse the temperatures will change on the Earth, anything can happen here. Everything is always either up or down. There has really been no relevance to humans helping global warming. The US plans on making a tax (a bull shit tax) that will supposedly help fight Global Warming, but will really just go into the pockets of the rich.

The argument has moved on from this point. We are in agreement that it is a natural occurence. The evidence now points to an accelerated global warming of the like never before recorded. We are fast running out of time.

if we bend and mitigate only to balance the chinese levels of pollution, aren't we taxing ourselves for what they are doing?


i am not saying we should dump sludge into the ocean to spite them, but what do our efforts amount to when they cancel it out anyway?

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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.