More climate change uncertainty. The models don't fit the actual observations

desert dude

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I am sure many of you will insist that we commit economic supuku anyway, just for the sheer political solidarity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323981504578179291222227104.html

"Mr. Lewis tells me that the latest observational estimates of the effect of aerosols (such as sulfurous particles from coal smoke) find that they have much less cooling effect than thought when the last IPCC report was written. The rate at which the ocean is absorbing greenhouse-gas-induced warming is also now known to be fairly modest. In other words, the two excuses used to explain away the slow, mild warming we have actually experienced—culminating in a standstill in which global temperatures are no higher than they were 16 years ago—no longer work."

"The conclusion—taking the best observational estimates of the change in decadal-average global temperature between 1871-80 and 2002-11, and of the corresponding changes in forcing and ocean heat uptake—is this: A doubling of CO2 will lead to a warming of 1.6°-1.7°C (2.9°-3.1°F). This is much lower than the IPCC's current best estimate, 3°C (5.4°F)."

"Given what we know now, there is almost no way that the feared large temperature rise is going to happen. Mr. Lewis comments: "Taking the IPCC scenario that assumes a doubling of CO2, plus the equivalent of another 30% rise from other greenhouse gases by 2100, we are likely to experience a further rise of no more than 1°C."
 

ChesusRice

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Matt Ridley comes across as more kindly, intelligent and informed climate change denier when compared to his ‘batshit’ contemporaries but stills draws from the same well. A lukewarmer in the sense that a warmer planet is nothing to worry about.
 

desert dude

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Matt Ridley comes across as more kindly, intelligent and informed climate change denier when compared to his ‘batshit’ contemporaries but stills draws from the same well. A lukewarmer in the sense that a warmer planet is nothing to worry about.
Is a warmer planet something to worry about? Should we all turn our pockets inside out and make ALGORE a multi-millionaire as penance?
 

ginjawarrior

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I am sure many of you will insist that we commit economic supuku anyway, just for the sheer political solidarity.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323981504578179291222227104.html

"Mr. Lewis tells me that the latest observational estimates of the effect of aerosols (such as sulfurous particles from coal smoke) find that they have much less cooling effect than thought when the last IPCC report was written. The rate at which the ocean is absorbing greenhouse-gas-induced warming is also now known to be fairly modest. In other words, the two excuses used to explain away the slow, mild warming we have actually experienced—culminating in a standstill in which global temperatures are no higher than they were 16 years ago—no longer work."

"The conclusion—taking the best observational estimates of the change in decadal-average global temperature between 1871-80 and 2002-11, and of the corresponding changes in forcing and ocean heat uptake—is this: A doubling of CO2 will lead to a warming of 1.6°-1.7°C (2.9°-3.1°F). This is much lower than the IPCC's current best estimate, 3°C (5.4°F)."

"Given what we know now, there is almost no way that the feared large temperature rise is going to happen. Mr. Lewis comments: "Taking the IPCC scenario that assumes a doubling of CO2, plus the equivalent of another 30% rise from other greenhouse gases by 2100, we are likely to experience a further rise of no more than 1°C."
  • OPINION
  • December 18, 2012, 6:09 p.m. ET
Matt Ridley: Cooling Down the Fears of Climate Change

Evidence points to a further rise of just 1°C by 2100. The net effect on the planet may
the most important part of the above quote is the first word "opinion"

link to some scientific papers and what you have to say might hold water

untill then your just talking shit
 

desert dude

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the most important part of the above quote is the first word "opinion"

link to some scientific papers and what you have to say might hold water

untill then your just talking shit
"Mr. Lewis is an expert reviewer of the recently leaked draft of the IPCC's WG1 Scientific Report. The IPCC forbids him to quote from it, but he is privy to all the observational best estimates and uncertainty ranges the draft report gives. What he has told me is dynamite."
 

ginjawarrior

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"Mr. Lewis is an expert reviewer of the recently leaked draft of the IPCC's WG1 Scientific Report. The IPCC forbids him to quote from it, but he is privy to all the observational best estimates and uncertainty ranges the draft report gives. What he has told me is dynamite."
are you so poorly educated to see thats an opinion rather than anything worth taking seriously? why isnt there facts and figures showing the point rather than assurances?
 

desert dude

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are you so poorly educated to see thats an opinion rather than anything worth taking seriously? why isnt there facts and figures showing the point rather than assurances?
Mr. Lewis is basing his statements off of the leaked IPCC report. The report is the thingy that contains the data.
 

ginjawarrior

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Mr. Lewis is basing his statements off of the leaked IPCC report. The report is the thingy that contains the data.
LOL so where is this leaked report? and where is his robust rebuttal of it?

again can you not tell the difference between an opinion piece and decent reporting?
 

ginjawarrior

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Only a twatwaffle like you would take DEAsert dude seriously.
i take the insinuation that the ippc is lying seriously and i expect proper evidence for such allegations
deasert dude is just a mouth piece but his allegations gain traction and should be answered seriously
 

SSHZ

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The Dem's will do and say anything to SUCK more money out of people and corporations and give it to the poor nations of the world. I was just reading a report signed by 141 scientists renouncing the climate change rhetoric and faulting political policy as a means of containing it....what a crock of shit.
 

ginjawarrior

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The Dem's will do and say anything to SUCK more money out of people and corporations and give it to the poor nations of the world. I was just reading a report signed by 141 scientists renouncing the climate change rhetoric and faulting political policy as a means of containing it....what a crock of shit.
yeah you dont know what your saying...

 
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