Rethinking Education

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

again, i don't know what to tell ya.

my town seems to be 1/3 hispanic working poor, 1/3 old white people, and 1/3 working class white people. we have no "original settlers" here. but we still have excellent services.

I meant usually the original settlers of a region set the political temperament still today. I really just wanted to get a conversation started on it all so maybe you could share what the public schools in your town are like as I bet this year's harvest they are the polar opposite of the one Moses was describing and a good example of what could be and what isn't in this whole mess.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

again, i don't know what to tell ya.

my town seems to be 1/3 hispanic working poor, 1/3 old white people, and 1/3 working class white people. we have no "original settlers" here. but we still have excellent services.

I think using the term "services" is a word twist. Aren't services normally provided via a consensual arrangement rather than through monopolistic compulsory methods ?

Originally Posted by Rob Roy

I think using the term "services" is a word twist. Aren't services normally provided via a consensual arrangement rather than through monopolistic compulsory methods ?

ya mean, like how we choose to move into certain neighborhoods with certain services funded by the property taxes from living in that neighborhood that you voluntarily choose to move to?

your argument is soooo fucking stupid and old. maybe talk about how people hold guns to your head and make you sign W4s.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

ya mean, like how we choose to move into certain neighborhoods with certain services funded by the property taxes from living in that neighborhood that you voluntarily choose to move to?

your argument is soooo fucking stupid and old. maybe talk about how people hold guns to your head and make you sign W4s.

Is there a choice of none of the above ? Real service providers exist in a state of competition and do not use duress or force as a tool against their customers. You can go to Burger King, Mcdonald's or cook your own damn burger at home or decide not to eat a burger at all. In your scenario what you call a government service is in reality an "offer" that if refused does eventually lead to government violence.

Whether a person voluntarily lives in a place or not has nothing to do with their acceptance of a forced purchase of a so called service. Without the option of no purchase of a particular service, it would be best if people called it what it actually is....

As far as my argument being stupid... I'm open to hearing how you can claim a "service" provider may use force and it is still consensual.

Originally Posted by Rob Roy

Is there a choice of none of the above ? Real service providers exist in a state of competition and do not use duress or force as a tool against their customers. You can go to Burger King, Mcdonald's or cook your own damn burger at home or decide not to eat a burger at all. In your scenario what you call a government service is in reality an "offer" that if refused does eventually lead to government violence.

Whether a person voluntarily lives in a place or not has nothing to do with their acceptance of a forced purchase of a so called service. Without the option of no purchase of a particular service, it would be best if people called it what it actually is....

As far as my argument being stupid... I'm open to hearing how you can claim a "service" provider may use force and it is still consensual.

burger king, mcdonalds, your own, or none?

kind of like i could move to the close in with full water, fire, and garbage service, out to the not so close in, where i might need my own well, way out to the sticks where i would need my own well and burn my own garbage, or abscond to the woods and pay fuck all to no one.

where i choose to live is a voluntary decision, dipshit. i get to choose a location that provides what services i want.

your stupid argument is soooo fucking stupid you'd have to be stupid not to see how stupid it is. it's stupid. very stupid.

Originally Posted by ChesusRice

I never claimed to be a english professor

You need a PhD in English to form a proper sentence? You obviously did not have 4th grade with old Mrs Miller like I did.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

i don't know what to tell ya. i once ran across a chihuahua trying to cross the main drag here and stopped my car dead in the middle of the road to block all traffic while i went to chase the little fucker (i hate chihuahuas). as i was getting the thing, code enforcement rolled up to help me identify the dog's owner's and make sure the dog stayed safe until reunited. i gave them the dog and by the time i moved my car out of the way they had the poor little fucker back with his owner.

chihuahuas are not uber friendly but the scary government trained people seemed fully competent in handling the dog as they went about finding its owner.

i mean, even the people who change out the trash at the local scary government dog park seem to know how to handle dogs better than half the people at the park who own dogs. a basic training course on dog behavior and training seems to be more than most owners invest in their pups.

i would trust my dog to any one of the "Big Gov" employees who change out the trash at the dog park, even more willingly to anyone with even slightly more training, like the code enforcement people (all purpose mini cops whose duties include animal management).

Did they find the owner?

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

burger king, mcdonalds, your own, or none?

kind of like i could move to the close in with full water, fire, and garbage service, out to the not so close in, where i might need my own well, way out to the sticks where i would need my own well and burn my own garbage, or abscond to the woods and pay fuck all to no one.

where i choose to live is a voluntary decision, dipshit. i get to choose a location that provides what services i want.

your stupid argument is soooo fucking stupid you'd have to be stupid not to see how stupid it is. it's stupid. very stupid.

Where you chose to live may be voluntary. But that misses the point. Can you decide to decline the alleged "government services" without any repercussions wherever you live? You seem to skirt around that.... Further can it then be called a "service", if a person has no say in accepting it or not? That seems more like a compulsory edict, no?

It's also been said when a person cannot articulate a logical answer , they often rely on insults. You should try to do better, lest people think you are rude.