in the 1830s the Southern states sought to have congress recognize the right of the free black man to vote. the Southern whites did not seek to have the power to vote on "behalf" of blacks but rather they sought to put the responsibility on the blacks themselves - who, according to the Constitution, deserved it. the Southern whites knew this would bring blacks into the greater free society over time, and giving them their rights would "acclimate" them to living in a fully free society which seemed to be an inevitable reality that must be prepared for and accommodated.

northern states did not want a bunch of dumb 'blacks' to have voting rights and the legislation was blocked in the US senate - never going to a vote. the cynical north believed that the South was simply trying to get more representation in the House and Senate by counting the "blacks" as people - an abhorrent concept to the elite northerners who viewed blacks as little more than easily trained animals. the northern paranoia was unfounded and even quite silly because the South was a very rich, very wealthy and, above all, very independent region with no need or want for more federal leverage (still true today). being self-sufficient seemed like an alien concept to the cynical north who suspected trickery in almost everything.

this was the beginning of the animosity between the north and the South - the notion that free black men should be counted as citizens. so, when someone says that the "civil war" was about slavery - you could agree, except it was a type of slavery that the north preferred to keep.

the north did not allow blacks to own property prior to the war of northern aggression. it was also illegal for blacks to go to school in the north. even after the war the north prohibited blacks from "congregating" and voting. this one fact should silence those who unknowingly announce that the war was meant to make blacks equal to whites as was the case in the fantasy north. another fact that should seal the deal is that the emancipation proclamation was not even thought of until the war was halfway over.

regardless, once the South stopped buying slaves from the northern slave merchants, ending slavery became a "humanitarian cause", at least that's what the northern newspapers said. the north didn't consider the people that they held captive to be slaves, they were just there to serve tea and cook food and provide sexual pleasure (Lincoln's illegitimate child), this wasn't really "slavery" like they had in the South. in the South the slaves were worked like dogs, in the terrible heat. unfortunately, this characterization doesn't mention that the slaves worked along side their white owners, and often their entire family, so how "cruel" could it really be? other than the rare sociopath there was obviously no whipping and beating the slaves anymore than you see farmers destroying their expensive modern equipment because the slaves had to be healthy and happy. slaves even purchased their own freedom in the South and some even bought land, later buying their own slaves and building plantations. many slaves fought for the South, in the first truly integrated army - a full century before the "officially" integrated federal Army in the 1960s. the South did not have "negro" units as the north did (the north actually threatened blacks into joining their army). the South is where the black man and the white man fought and died side by side on the killing fields of the War of Northern Aggression.

do i think slavery was a good thing? no, i don't think it is but we keep slavery alive and well to this very day. we force blacks to accept lower standards and call it "affirmative action". we enlist generations of blacks into federal plantations called public housing and we tell them to keep voting for the slave owners in D.C. who dumb down the public education the point that genius and near-genius scoring blacks are practically a thing of the past. gifted black men like the Southerner George Washington Carver, the son of slaves, should have been the foundation to a jumping off point for blacks but the sharpton's and jackson's have decimated the will of their own culture by constantly downplaying every advance and crying about every "injustice".

the war and the culture are not about slavery.

the South is and was about liberty.

again, we're at a point in our history where the northern, modern liberal mentality is to bully and butcher everyone who doesn't agree with them. we plainly see the continuation of the old, evil northern philosophy of murdering, pillaging and raping the Middle East. we see a world on the brink of so many unknowable wars and such incomprehensible killing that i pray everyday for the South to secede again from this marauding and violent union that is the USA. we should turn our backs on this corrupt and failed government which has so blatantly ignored written and signed debts to the indians and which also seeks to destroy the sovereignty of our current borders, which has sold our monetary system to a corrupt few foreigners, which has built a system of rewarded failure and aggrandized status quo.

i long for the CSA.






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"But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

- Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, Hero to the servants of big government, Racist War Monger

Black Confederate military units, both as freemen and slaves, fought federal troops. Louisiana free blacks gave their reason for fighting in a letter written to New Orleans' Daily Delta: "The free colored population love their home, their property, their own slaves and recognize no other country than Louisiana, and are ready to shed their blood for her defense. They have no sympathy for Abolitionism; no love for the North, but they have plenty for Louisiana. They will fight for her in 1861 as they fought in 1814-15." As to bravery, one black scolded the commanding general of the state militia, saying, "Pardon me, general, but the only cowardly blood we have got in our veins is the white blood."

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"But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

- Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, Hero to the servants of big government, Racist War Monger

Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit. Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

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"But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

- Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, Hero to the servants of big government, Racist War Monger

bet you didn't know that the Cherokee Nation Seceded from the North too.. maybe that's why the north lashed out in vengeance with the "Trail of Tears"... ???



"Menaced by a great danger, they exercise the inalienable right of self-defense, and declare themselves a free people, independent of the Northern States of America, and at war with them by their own act. Obeying the dictates of prudence and providing for the general safety and welfare, confident of the rectitude of their intentions and true to the obligations of duty and honor, they accept the issue thus forced upon them, unite their fortunes now and forever with those of the Confederate States, and take up arms for the common cause, and with entire confidence in the justice of that cause and with a firm reliance upon Divine Providence, will resolutely abide the consequences." Tahlequah, C. N., October 28, 1861.

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"But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

- Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, Hero to the servants of big government, Racist War Monger

Great Posts! Not to mention the CSA is still a legal nation! The USA has no jurisdiction over the CSA. Also didnt see anything about states rights which was another issue.

"in the South the slaves were worked like dogs, in the terrible heat. unfortunately, this characterization doesn't mention that the slaves worked along side their white owners, and often their entire family, so how "cruel" could it really be?"


Have you ever been a slave?...Has your entire family ever been enslaved and forced to work next to the slave master?

pretty damn cruel is the answer to your question. Freedom is priceless

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Brett Favre 1991 - 2008 ...thanks for the memories

I know what you said has nothing to do with race but I wanted to state that there were many European slaves and indentured servants, because the other poster brought up race and I think you are implying race.

On the other hand, there were slave owners who treated their slaves pretty well. In the case of the slave, it was economically prudent to treat them well.

7x ... great post. Amazing how history has been distorted through our government monopolized school systems.

Vi

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The hardest and most dangerous work was saved for "free" coolies and white men. Coolies and immigrant Irish worked for 50 cents a day. Even an old black slave was usually worth a $1000. So slaves were somewhat protected.

To help these free men cope, and do their jobs, the ranches and railroads made sure bars and opium dens were on the wrong side of the tracks. Close to were the coolies, Irish, and rabble boarded.

Very interesting, 7X. Plus rep.
pretty damn cru

True that. This is the only part I didn't agree with. Taking away someone's God-given freedom is pretty damn cruel.

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