A US Teenager Who Grew Up In Denver Was Executed WITHOUT TRIAL With a DRONE

Originally Posted by missnu

I lost hope as soon as the government was able to sign that whole preventative indefinite detainment thing into being...it was all over for me...Then that anti-abortion shit that makes it alright to kill women...I checked out...I just want to leave this place...and I think more people should realize they are fighting uselessly...there will be no change...they have written all the laws they need to do whatever they want----if people follow said laws...So complaining is not enough...when the riots that are needed start--I am there...but til then, fuck it for real!
I just don't like when people say, "The government can't do that, it is unconstitutional." Or "they can't do that, it is against the law." Well they just fucking did it! So now what?!

I recommend you write your reps with your concerns. They only respond to the voices that they can hear. cn

Originally Posted by londonfog

Being prior military I can't comment without bias, but I did find myself thinking this is one of the better comments in this thread.^^^^^^^

Most people act like they don't care about a war because they have never seen the horror that a war entails...All the wars most people that are alive now have a good recollection of have been fought somewhere else...it has been some other country where people are dying in the streets, or bodies are burning, or bombs are exploding...all the while we walk around complaining about how our AC broke, or McDonalds is out of chicken nuggets...Everyday I am just like WTF? I mean I get it, first world living = First world problems...but we all have the internet...we can see what is going on with other people...
Whole thing makes me just want to hang myself....never ending abyss of horror...

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Imo the problem lies precisely there.

Terrorists are like real-world Internet trolls. A troll uses the forbidden modes in order to shock his target(s) into a response, preferably one of shocked outrage descending into nastiness. Once the troll has received nastiness for nastiness, he's won, proven that the polite Internet community s just a sham.

The terrorists trolled us good. When they got us to pass the patriot Act, when they induced us to generate and equip a Dept. of Homeland security, they won a big one, bringing us a big step closer to their m.o.

I contend that terrorists deliberately twork to get us to abandon our principles. every time we shift to block them, we are actually shifting to accommodate them. I can see a terrorist lurker looking at Dr. Kynes' posts crying righteous vengeance, and thinking "Good ... good. Let the hate flow through you. Feeeeel it."

Our duties as participants in a society ruled by law is to come up with ways of meeting the deliberately corrosive threat and reality of terror in a manner that is simultaneously

1) effective, and
2) in clear compliance with out national and legal principles.

If we neglect either, the trolls win, and feed, and grow.
I do not have the Answer, which method or protocol will satisfy both conditions. But i do know that Dr. Kynes' way, which cries "fight fire with bigger, badder fire" and hinges on dehumanizing the opponent ("turd" etc.) is not it. cn

I laughed after our president declared war on terror. I still do. Terror is an emotional state, granted a rather profound one but it is still an emotion. Imagine if the president had declared a war on saddness. It is not the government's charge to protect us from emotions yet that is exactly what they proposed to do (all the while stoking what was supposed to be the goal of terrorists, terror).

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Imo the problem lies precisely there.

Terrorists are like real-world Internet trolls. A troll uses the forbidden modes in order to shock his target(s) into a response, preferably one of shocked outrage descending into nastiness. Once the troll has received nastiness for nastiness, he's won, proven that the polite Internet community s just a sham.

The terrorists trolled us good. When they got us to pass the patriot Act, when they induced us to generate and equip a Dept. of Homeland security, they won a big one, bringing us a big step closer to their m.o.

I contend that terrorists deliberately twork to get us to abandon our principles. every time we shift to block them, we are actually shifting to accommodate them. I can see a terrorist lurker looking at Dr. Kynes' posts crying righteous vengeance, and thinking "Good ... good. Let the hate flow through you. Feeeeel it."

Our duties as participants in a society ruled by law is to come up with ways of meeting the deliberately corrosive threat and reality of terror in a manner that is simultaneously

1) effective, and
2) in clear compliance with out national and legal principles.

If we neglect either, the trolls win, and feed, and grow.
I do not have the Answer, which method or protocol will satisfy both conditions. But i do know that Dr. Kynes' way, which cries "fight fire with bigger, badder fire" and hinges on dehumanizing the opponent ("turd" etc.) is not it. cn

If I haven't told you recently, I really like you.

Then again if I think about it in another way, what have I got to complain about really...? My US issues are so much less than that of good many other nations... What a conundrum...

Originally Posted by canndo

I laughed after our president declared war on terror. I still do. Terror is an emotional state, granted a rather profound one but it is still an emotion. Imagine if the president had declared a war on saddness. It is not the government's charge to protect us from emotions yet that is exactly what they proposed to do (all the while stoking what was supposed to be the goal of terrorists, terror).

The war on Terror, was just a campaign of fear...
The US has kept it's citizens in line with fear for as long as there have been people to keep in line...
Fear has always been the easiest way of controlling a group of people...Don't listen to god you go to hell. Don't listen to the cops you go to jail. Disagree with the US and they lock you up indefinitely...What?!
Fear...

Originally Posted by canndo

I laughed after our president declared war on terror. I still do. Terror is an emotional state, granted a rather profound one but it is still an emotion. Imagine if the president had declared a war on saddness. It is not the government's charge to protect us from emotions yet that is exactly what they proposed to do (all the while stoking what was supposed to be the goal of terrorists, terror).

It's a matched set with our wars on Drugs and on Poverty. cn

(API) A major battle was fought today against Poverty. Elements of the 113rd Infantry and 87th Armor attempted to surround a known enemy camp, but the enemy managed a breakout. Although they were poorly armed and even more poorly trained, the enemy had such numbers that they simply overwhelmed and buried our troops. Air support was "less effective than we'd hoped", a military spokesman informed us. "Nothing but piss-poor targets", Major _____, USAF, said in apparent disgust. A visibly upset Lieutenant General _____ shared with our reporter: "They shouldn't be able to win like this. We have every edge in equipment, organization, discipline, intelligence ... but they have shown an absolute command of logistics."

Originally Posted by Dr Kynes

i trust barack hussein obama and mitt romney to handle the hard choices far more than i would trust you, rob roy, deprave or abandonconflict. fuck i would trust uncle buck to make the call before i turned to you.

Originally Posted by Harrekin

Good luck with the rest of your life, trusting politicians is something most people learn to be totally foolish around age 11.

He's not saying that he trusts them.
He's saying that he trusts you less than them.

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Imo the problem lies precisely there.

Terrorists are like real-world Internet trolls. A troll uses the forbidden modes in order to shock his target(s) into a response, preferably one of shocked outrage descending into nastiness. Once the troll has received nastiness for nastiness, he's won, proven that the polite Internet community s just a sham.

The terrorists trolled us good. When they got us to pass the patriot Act, when they induced us to generate and equip a Dept. of Homeland security, they won a big one, bringing us a big step closer to their m.o.

I contend that terrorists deliberately twork to get us to abandon our principles. every time we shift to block them, we are actually shifting to accommodate them. I can see a terrorist lurker looking at Dr. Kynes' posts crying righteous vengeance, and thinking "Good ... good. Let the hate flow through you. Feeeeel it."

Our duties as participants in a society ruled by law is to come up with ways of meeting the deliberately corrosive threat and reality of terror in a manner that is simultaneously

1) effective, and
2) in clear compliance with out national and legal principles.

If we neglect either, the trolls win, and feed, and grow.
I do not have the Answer, which method or protocol will satisfy both conditions. But i do know that Dr. Kynes' way, which cries "fight fire with bigger, badder fire" and hinges on dehumanizing the opponent ("turd" etc.) is not it. cn

i disagree with your premise.

terrorists are not trolls, they have no intention of claiming a moral victory if we descend to their level. the US descending to their level is the last thing the terrorists want. if we were to descend to their level or adopt their tactics they would lose horribly. the only problem is we would become barely better than themselves. unlike our political "leaders, i have no compunction about naming the enemy for what they are, savages. primitive depraved cowardly savages who prefer to atttack women and children, and if they can do it through their willing dupes so much the better.

if the US were to return savagery for savagery, then not a stone would be left standing in iraq, iran suadi arabia yemen syria libya lebanon afghanistan or pakistan. their fathers would not know where their sons are buried, and the jackals would slake their thirst on the blood of their daughters. ohh no, the savages do not want the US to descend to their level. they like the rules exactly as they are now, every military strike is followed by recrimminations, and scandalized wails of dismay from the pacifists and progressives, and each new attavk from the bastards is met with new useless restrictions by the fools in washington who wish so desperately to appear "progressive" and "post racist" that they search old ladies from sweden qand children from mississipi while syrian "students" stroll past the checkpoint with impunity. ohh no, they dont want us to descend to their level, if we did, we might introduce restrictions on who can or cannot travel in our territory based on religion, just like saudi arabia, or force their women to dress like britney spears, or require them to eat pork or drink beer. nope. they dont want us to go to their level. right now the savages have the advantage, and they mean to keep it. all the hand wringing and whingeing about one dimwitted fool who went to become a martyr and got his wish sooner than he hoped only distracts from the real problems we face with fighting a group of degenerate 10th century idol worshippers who hide behind the skirts of the progressive liberals and their constant outrage at the thought of defending oneself against anyone who comes from the magical orient and it's wonderful culture.

i for one am tired of the proportionality game and the endless recriminations every time somebody makes the hard choices that prevent savages from overrunning our walls. heres the take-away lesson from this little adventure. dont wanna get blown up? dont hang out with al quaeda savages. that seems pretty simple to me.