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i'd rather pay taxes.
But what about the roads? Common argument against Libertarian/Anarchy Debunked.
WHY, YES YOU CAN KITTY!what about the roads kitty?
How can we have Roads in a voluntary (anarchist/ libertarian society)
Well the argument for a minarchist or moderate libertarian society is relatively simple. Moderate Libertarians, Minarchist, or Teabaggers (as some like to call them) are not anarchist, they believe in minimal government so often this would include a government that would both build and repair roads. As for the real anarchist and anarchist libertarians the idea of how we would have roads is mere speculation but there is many possible ways it could work. I will describe some examples in this post.
So without further ado lets speculate how roads might work in a voluntary society:
Laying road is not the most complicated or expensive thing in the world especially when not done by the government in market that is tainted by government which sets artificially changes value it can never know the value so contractors can charge them whatever they want, inefficiency at its finest. The thing that catches people up is how to build roads within already existent neighborhood but the reality is, that is simply not how it works. Roads are in fact built before the communities are filled with people. A builder would have a much tougher time trying the sell his house if there is no road proving access to and from the home. A store would have a much tougher time trying to get any customers if they did not build any roads going to and from the surrounding neighborhoods.
In the circumstance that a road builder is wanting to build a road on already acquired land, he can use options and nondisclosure contracts in order to avoid any holdout problem. That is to say he can purchase the option to buy a spot of land from a series of landowners while also agreeing to a nondisclosure contract so that the owner of the last spot of land the road builder needs is not aware that they are the last person, and thus will not be tempted to charge a ridiculous sum of money for their land.And if there is someone who has some kind of sentimental value to their property and refuses to sell it for any price, then the road builder can buy options contracts for another route, or he can simply tunnel underneath them.
Neighborhood roads would likely be funded by Homeowner’s Associations and car insurance companies wanting to minimize their payouts for vehicle repair such as tires. Roads going to and from businesses would likely be funded by the businesses themselves wanting more customers. These residential and business roads could also be funded through voluntary donations. Highways could likely be funded by charging a monthly bill based on usage or perhaps this voluntary society would rely much more heavily on public transportation rather than private. It’s impossible to know these things in advance but the truth is that roads aren't just going to disappears, we won't just decide to no longer have roads, the demand will still be there. While eminent domain laws do seem tempting for the purpose of building roads, they are not a necessity, and the increased efficiency of these voluntary organizations would more than make up for the higher cost of buying the land voluntarily rather than corrosively, as well as avoid all of the other inherent problems that come along with using coercion. Finally I would like to add that we already have the roads and we also have the private companies with the means to repair them.
So How do you think Roads would work without Government?
Last edited by deprave; 07-03-2012 at 10:29 AM.
i'd rather pay taxes.
i got no property but yo im a piece of it
Homeowner's association would just be a bunch of people pitching on building a road. Sounds really similar to a tax to me.Neighborhood roads would likely be funded by Homeowner’s Associations and car insurance companies wanting to minimize their payouts for vehicle repair such as tires. Roads going to and from businesses would likely be funded by the businesses themselves wanting more customers. These residential and business roads could also be funded through voluntary donations. Highways could likely be funded by charging a monthly bill based on usage or perhaps this voluntary society would rely much more heavily on public transportation rather than private. It’s impossible to know these things in advance. While eminent domain laws do seem tempting for the purpose of building roads, they are not a necessity, and the increased efficiency of these voluntary organizations would more than make up for the higher cost of buying the land voluntarily rather than corrosively, as well as avoid all of the other inherent problems that come along with using coercion.
Car insurance companies would love an excuse to raise rates on people. Every time you make them replace a tire, or even a wheel, they raise your rates. It would not be in their best interest to build the road.
Businesses may do it, but I doubt they'd want to pay for that. And if they did, who's to stop them from charging people to go on their road? It's their own private road, they can charge you if you want access. This could cause people having to pay money just get groceries and other necessities.
Voluntary donations and homeowner's association donations sound like the only two viable means of income generated for roads. Most real estate agents would know that low income subdivision would not be able to afford these roads, so I doubt they'd even bother giving them the option. Maybe just have the poor lay their own cement?
Highway based off of donations...
This just sounds like a tax on those wealthy enough to pay it, those who can't get boned. I guess the benefit would be keeping the poor out of the rich neighborhoods, but that could cause civil disturbances and riots. There's a reason why we don't completely fuck over our poor.
Who's going to pay for the public transit? More voluntary subsidies? How can you even claim you are against taxation?
Just think out the consequences of this, if you make roads private people will take advantage of it. Probably in an even worse way than I thought of in five minutes.
Necessity is the mother of invention
-Plato
So You'd rather people have forceful violence used against you and others from the mafia and live in a violent oppressive impoverished society, to each his own I guess.Originally Posted by tomahawk2406
What the fuck are you talking about?
Necessity is the mother of invention
-Plato
deprave i know you love the matrix, but please come out of it. the united states would suffer greatly. total 180. thats the truth. end of story. thread closed.
i got no property but yo im a piece of it
Not the same lol
If it was getting out of hand it would be, they would have to remain competitive and make profit, if there was no state then car insurance would not be a requirementCar insurance companies would love an excuse to raise rates on people. Every time you make them replace a tire, or even a wheel, they raise your rates. It would not be in their best interest to build the road.
They would have to if they want to make any moneyBusinesses may do it, but I doubt they'd want to pay for that.
You wouldn't pay it if it wasn't worth itAnd if they did, who's to stop them from charging people to go on their road? It's their own private road, they can charge you if you want access.
From the cheapest place that offered the best serviceThis could cause people having to pay money just get groceries and other necessities.
Who would buy a house without a road to it or even rent one? Good luck on them selling that...Voluntary donations and homeowner's association donations sound like the only two viable means of income generated for roads. Most real estate agents would know that low income subdivision would not be able to afford these roads, so I doubt they'd even bother giving them the option. Maybe just have the poor lay their own cement?
Hmm doesn't sound unreleastic to me[/quote]Highway based off of donations...
The highway would need to only pay for itself and not turn a profit, the fee would not be expensive with the high demand to use the highway, it would be like a nickle toll road, if you can't afford a nickle then you probably can't afford gas...This just sounds like a tax on those wealthy enough to pay it, those who can't get boned. I guess the benefit would be keeping the poor out of the rich neighborhoods, but that could cause civil disturbances and riots. There's a reason why we don't completely fuck over our poor.
Probably, or people trying to make money transporting people, what do you thinkWho's going to pay for the public transit? More voluntary subsidies?
How can you claim to be for taxes? You think a giant monopoly of power can exist in our interest?How can you even claim you are against taxation?
And whats is a giant monopoly on power government doing? Forcefully taking advatage of people...If people had to provide a good service to make good money then they would have to provide good wages to compete and they would have to have competitive prices. You think the government takes care of the poor you have fucking lost your mind.Just think out the consequences of this, if you make roads private people will take advantage of it. Probably in an even worse way than I thought of in five minutes.
Last edited by deprave; 07-02-2012 at 09:35 PM.
deprave, you have ben found guilty of spreading lies and sedition, in the court of tomahawk2406, judge, jury and executioner. He has closed your thread and if you continue to post material that tom deems objectionable, you will be taxed until you are dead.
...he screams as he slams his sippie cup on the highchair.
"Oh, but it is a GOOD thing that the document is dead."-Canndo...in regards to the Constitution.
Please tell me how? Taxes would end and we would all suffer a devastating plague and flail about helpless while the apoclyspe reigned in on all of mankind? Is that what you think?
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