Even the socialists hate Obamacare

Originally Posted by Mr Neutron

Deregulation and encouraging competition. Allow insurance coverage across state lines. Offer affordable, catastrophic care for those of us who don't live to be sick. Start weaning people off of Medicare, Medicaid and SS. Take it back to the system it once was, where people would pay for healthcare, out of pocket. If they couldn't afford that, there were church and private charities that were much more efficient than Uncle Sam at looking after the indigent. Insurance was for catastrophic care. In case you had an accident or came down with a debilitating disease.Healthcare decisions should be between the patient and the caregiver, not the patient, caregiver and the insurance company/government. The more local the control is, the better. The government that governs least, governs best.

ah the give the docter a chicken approach im sorry but thats not reform thats an unrealistic fantasy

Originally Posted by ginjawarrior

ah the give the docter a chicken approach im sorry but thats not reform thats an unrealistic fantasy

About unrealistic as Obama care, now the liberal are finished their feather strut its starting to sink in that this this is one of the worst fucking ways to deal with healthcare anyway you look at it.

Doesn't Europe have enough problems, why are you trolling American policies?

Originally Posted by nontheist

About unrealistic as Obama care, now the liberal are finished their feather strut its starting to sink in that this this is one of the worst fucking ways to deal with healthcare anyway you look at it.

Doesn't Europe have enough problems, why are you trolling American policies?

common, I think your being over dramatic, its only slightly more fascist. I guees that might make it the worse thou....

Originally Posted by nontheist

About unrealistic as Obama care, now the liberal are finished their feather strut its starting to sink in that this this is one of the worst fucking ways to deal with healthcare anyway you look at it.Doesn't Europe have enough problems, why are you trolling American policies?

single payer system is what you need i wont deny thatnext you'l be telling me if it wasn't for you guys we'd be speaking german

Originally Posted by londonfog

Thank you for answering , but I do disagree. I would hate to see a system for the health and welfare of people to depend of churches and private charities. Why we as a nation , which is thought to be one of the greatest, can't give her people healthcare. How can you look out for the welfare of your people without looking out for their health. JMHO

You're welcome.
It did work at one time, not too long ago and they are more efficient with their resources because they HAVE to be. Whereas a government stooge (please, government stooges, please don't take this personal but bureaucrat is too hard to spell) has no problem with resources because as long as he spends all of his budget, this year, then he is guaranteed an increase, next year. A church or private charity has to live within it's means so they don't overpay for their goods and they don't lose money to waste. They are accountable.
I don't know what evidence there is that convinces so many that the government has the answers and the governed need so much protection, when, in reality, they need more protection from​ the government.

Originally Posted by ginjawarrior

single payer system is what you need i wont deny thatnext you'l be telling me if it wasn't for you guys we'd be speaking german

LOL, No put you wouldnt wanting me drinking a pint and telling you what the fuck you guys need to do to "make it better". Its just a respect issue.

Originally Posted by deprave

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I really don't see how that is what he is recommending or how you get to that conclusion...As I wrote in my post above expanding on it a little: Medical equipment costs(regulations and contracts), patents(drug companies), monopolies(pfizer big pharma influence and control), ER wait times, Bureaucracy(increases ER wait times due to unavailable beds), technology(Medical system largely still on paper), frivolous law suits(Doctor patient relation is tarnished), Mental Health etc..)

Those are just some of the problems we face, none of them have to do with insurance coverage, insurance coverage is fine, people are not turned down for treatment, I would however agree that "Obama Care" did in fact address some insurance coverage issues...but at a great cost...and additionally these are only small problems as a consequence of the above issues.....how about please just read my post above.

so you really would rather have the poor depend on churches and private charities for health care ????

Originally Posted by ginjawarrior

ah the give the docter a chicken approach im sorry but thats not reform thats an unrealistic fantasy

Yeah, you're right, I just dreamed that up. It never really happened.