Capital Punishment

Originally Posted by Kaendar

Youve gotta be kidding me.. dont you realize that communism is the extreme form of socialism. Its like how the plutocracy we are in now is the extreme form of capitalism..

Triple ORLY!?!?!

the communist manifesto is called the communist manifesto because communism is the ultimate goal. how are you not getting this?

after the russian revolution there were lots of petty bourgeois, proletarians and lumpen proletarians who still werent gettin on board with the communist dream. the ensuing period of internal violence resulted in the creation of authoritarian governmental systems and disarmament of the populace at large. those same armed men who were the backbone of the revolution were suddenly a threat to the new powers in charge, and they had to be rapidly de-radicalized lest they throw down their new, more intelligent, more handsome, and much wiser leaders who were so successful with the ladies.

anybody with a fully functional frontal lobe would have clocked this by now, socialism is a marxist rebellion which, in it's infancy, got under the sink, drank a shitload of Drain-O, and gave itself serious brain damage. the net result is a useless unstable violent retard with no self control, and a penchant for masturbating in the main aisle of the wal-mart. this is not a recipe for success.

Originally Posted by Dr Kynes

Triple ORLY!?!?!

the communist manifesto is called the communist manifesto because communism is the ultimate goal. how are you not getting this?

after the russian revolution there were lots of petty bourgeois, proletarians and lumpen proletarians who still werent gettin on board with the communist dream. the ensuing period of internal violence resulted in the creation of authoritarian governmental systems and disarmament of the populace at large. those same armed men who were the backbone of the revolution were suddenly a threat to the new powers in charge, and they had to be rapidly de-radicalized lest they throw down their new, more intelligent, more handsome, and much wiser leaders who were so successful with the ladies.

anybody with a fully functional frontal lobe would have clocked this by now, socialism is a marxist rebellion which, in it's infancy, got under the sink, drank a shitload of Drain-O, and gave itself serious brain damage. the net result is a useless unstable violent retard with no self control, and a penchant for masturbating in the main aisle of the wal-mart. this is not a recipe for success.

Nobody said that communism was the goal here did they? I didnt.. because obviously communism has proven itself to fail everytime. Socialism, however, has not. Look at all the happy ppl in Western Europe.

Originally Posted by Kaendar

Nobody said that communism was the goal here did they? I didnt.. because obviously communism has proven itself to fail everytime. Socialism, however, has not. Look at all the happy ppl in Western Europe.

I'm going to use your stated logic on this one...

Since communism is just socialism on steroids, it will just take longer for socialism to fail.
You'll find that out later....or your kids will anyway.

Originally Posted by Dr Kynes

ORLY?

so youre saying marx didnt aspire to the workers paradise of communism, never realized that the luimpen-proletariat and petty bourgeois would never accept his genius, and he never envisioned a middle step where the state controls of the means of production, and mandatory communist education could ease the transition to the ultimate goal of a world with no borders, tribes, clans, capital, ownership or any other economic forces save the needs of the collective?

you assert that marx didnt envision a world with the purity and one-ness of purpose you find in a bee hive or ant colony? wow, you must have read the readers digest condensed manifesto.

marx and engles created ideals and marketing for the fantasyland that stalin, mao, mussolini, hitler, kim, pol pot, khomenni, castro and chavez used to seize power, then they simply threw away the old blueprint for communism and declared "meh, good enough!" and rode on the backs of the workers they claimed to be defending against the dictatorship of opportunity, and the tyranny of freedom to fail.

your argument shows YOUR ignorance of marx and engles, and instead reveals that you only read lennon and mcarthy.

nice try bro. learn you some book and try again.

I like how you name all the worst guys in history, so passionate. Bravo.

Originally Posted by Kaendar

Nobody said that communism was the goal here did they? I didnt.. because obviously communism has proven itself to fail everytime. Socialism, however, has not. Look at all the happy ppl in Western Europe.

western europe has adopted democratic socialism, which is counter to the socialism developed by marx and engles. the "socialist systems" in democratic socialism are what we call society. accepting things which are counter to your immediate self interest, to achieve long term social aims. every person in a society may not agree with the details of those social aims, but they do get to vote. that is not socialism. thats how all societies work.

their economic theories and practices may tend more towards the planned economy and controlled growth, and do include sweeping social programs, everything that is social is NOT SOCIALIST!

those kinds of petty picayune word games and verbal brinksmanship are unacceptable in polite society.

in a socialist society (north korea as an example) the claim is ultimately a communist society, and socialism is just a rest stop on the marxist highway. of course the kim family (and the castros and the mullahs etc...) will never allow the car to get back on the road towards utopia. anyone who espouses socialism should sober up and read marx and engles before strolling off into the dark night with the hot communist cupcake. youthful exuberance and infatuation with the (allegedly) highbrow ideals and bold talk of fairness in communist theory dupes the easily swayed with talk of hope, change and everybody paying their "fair share", but this is just beer goggles. when the sun comes up youll find yourself lying in the gutter with a concussion, empty pockets, no watch and a sore butthole.

when you grow older, gain some experience in the real world and see how socialism has failed repeatedly, and communism only works in small VOLUNTARY groups you may reject the ideals of marxism. or maybe youre one of those dickheads who cant admit when they have been duped and instead burrow deeper into the cult and try convince others to join. like tom cruise.

Originally Posted by abandonconflict

I like how you name all the worst guys in history, so passionate. Bravo.

Worst guys?

I thought you were a Castro and Chavez kind of guy?

Originally Posted by abandonconflict

I like how you name all the worst guys in history, so passionate. Bravo.

meh, not my fault your communist dream attracts so many flies.

theres a few stinkers over here on the capitalist side too, but they rarely become the imperious leader of their country with the death squads and mass graves. democracy, constitutional limited government and a free market of goods and ideas pretty much ensures that any nutcases get weeded out before they go all genocidal.

i think thats a good thing.

Originally Posted by abandonconflict

I like how you name all the worst guys in history, so passionate. Bravo.

LOL, then go ahead and name some Marxist who were "good"