WHY does DHS need 450 million hollow point rounds? AND buying up 7k more NATO guns!

Originally Posted by Cut.Throat.

Why do you need hollow point to practice your aim? Serious question.

Why do we use hollow points on Americans when we have claimed it inhumane for war?

Originally Posted by nontheist

Why do we use hollow points on Americans when we have claimed it inhumane for war?

Originally Posted by nontheist

Why do we use hollow points on Americans when we have claimed it inhumane for war?

The Geneva Protocol only covers the battlefield. It was also formulated at a time when hollowpoints were designed to maim. Modern hollowpoints are a different beast. Combatants are still required to use solids/FMJs, in their small arms, but civilian and MP agencies are not bound by this.

To CutThroat's question, my first instinct is that liability is an issue. If a civil suit can drive a wedge between the ammo used to train and that used in a controversial police/agency shooting, count on it that it'll happen. We live in the land where a spilled McDs coffee became MILLIONS. cn

Thanks for the video Fungus but that's really wasn't what i was asking I may order some of them for loading nevertheless. I am knowledgeable on ballistics, I load my own ammo and participate in match shooting.

It was also formulated at a time when hollowpoints were designed to maim.

This is where I disagree hollow points were designed to decrease penetration and disrupt more tissue, that's still their purpose today. I still don't see why inside America when can completely ignore the humane factor of killing someone as funny as that sounds. Bleeding out because the can see though your shoulder isn't the way.

Originally Posted by MacGuyver4.2.0

Yeah... I posted this to see if anyone here knew *what* to pay attention to. Guess not. Complaining about vacations, golf games and other nonsense will quickly vanish when the guns get turned on you and me.

tin foil hats work best shiny side out. gotta keep the dull in.

I will yield that point, nontheist. I will observe that "humane" and defensive shooting are an odd mix. I did read somewhere that the 9mm Parabellum cartridge (and some of its contemporaries, such as the 7.65 Mauser) were specifically chosen to wound and not to kill. The "theory" behind this is that a soldier spending a month-plus in a hospital is a bigger logistical drain than a clean kill. In a non-military setting ... well if i am forced to shoot, it would not be to wound. Modern hollowpoints raise the 9mm from a marginal to an acceptable defense round imo. That said, I prefer and select the .45 ACP. cn

Originally Posted by malignant

were probably going to be exterminated by the hands of our government in fema camps, the rothschilds and builderbergs did it once before, except it was the 30's in germany and it was called the third reich. and that time it was only like 8million people. this time it will probably be much much worse, but much more efficient. having a lot of money gets you very far, and in nazi germany after america seized control the two richest families who also happened to be in control bought amnesty and asylum in the us. now they own most of our country, same family, and its obvious where americas agendas are.

see my advice on tin foil hats above.

Who really knows what it's about.

You don't target practice with hollow points as they're 2 - 3 times the cost of FMJ bullets... then again government is stupid so it probably is for target shooting.

Secondly guns with chrome lined barrels are not only good for 7k - 8k rounds. There are plently of AK's, FAL's, and AR's that are on 10k+ rounds with no parts changed out. AR's are less likely to do this, but lots of FAL's and AK's go well beyond 10k rounds before needing replacement parts, let alone the barrel. There is a forum for FAL's where there's one guy who has over 25K rounds through his FAL without doing anything to the gun. 7k - 8k is just BS, wherever that info came from.