"Stand Your Ground" laws, are they a good, or bad idea?

Liberals need to read, "The Moon is a Harsh a Mistress," by Robert Heinlen. Then they need to keep their mouths shut!

Originally Posted by desert dude

I agree with your assessment of the Joe Horn incident. The prosecutor decided not to prosecute, so it never went before a jury. I think charges were warranted in that case, and I think Horn would have been convicted had the case gone to trial. Prosecutors are politicians and this was Texas...

so you agree with me, but you still defend the pathway to legal murder.



right on, sport.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

SYG is a gift from NRA lobbyists so they could sell more guns.



ya see the lady in the blue jacket? that hot little piece of cunt is marion hammer, top lobbyist for the NRA in florida. she seduced a mentally retarded person, jeb bush, with her womanly wiles so that he would sign an unwanted bill into law. she knows how to use her pussy.



no one asked for these laws.

Actually, it seems to me the greatest gift to sell gun sellers was the election of anti-2A Obama.

Uncle Buck you really didn't say whether you were for or against philosophically. I'm just curious if you feel we SHOULD have the right to defend ourselves if we are truly threatened? I ask because I know some feel we are obligated to run away.

I feel I should be able to "bring a gun to a knife" under very certain specific situations in it's simplest terms. I just feel we need to use caution when trying to legislate common sense.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

so you agree with me, but you still defend the pathway to legal murder.



right on, sport.

There's always attrition.

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

so you agree with me, but you still defend the pathway to legal murder.



right on, sport.

Horn was an ugly incident.

Here is the greater impact of SYG:

"The law's effect on crime rates is disputed between supporters and critics of the law. The third edition of More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2010) by John Lott provides the only published, refereed academic study on these laws.^[5] The research shows that states adopting “Stand Your Ground”/"Castle doctrine" laws reduced murder rates by 9 percent and overall violent crime by 11 percent, and that occurs even after accounting for a range of other factors such as national crime trends, law enforcement variables (arrest, execution, and imprisonment rates), income and poverty measures (poverty and unemployment rates, per capita real income, as well as income maintenance, retirement, and unemployment payments), demographic changes (broken down by race, gender and age), and the national average changes in crime rates from year-to-year and average differences across states (the fixed year and state effects)."

Originally Posted by ginwilly

Uncle Buck you really didn't say whether you were for or against philosophically. I'm just curious if you feel we SHOULD have the right to defend ourselves if we are truly threatened?

that right already exists without SYG.

Originally Posted by desert dude

Horn was an ugly incident.

Here is the greater impact of SYG:

"The law's effect on crime rates is disputed between supporters and critics of the law. The third edition of More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2010) by John Lott provides the only published, refereed academic study on these laws.^[5] The research shows that states adopting “Stand Your Ground”/"Castle doctrine" laws reduced murder rates by 9 percent and overall violent crime by 11 percent, and that occurs even after accounting for a range of other factors such as national crime trends, law enforcement variables (arrest, execution, and imprisonment rates), income and poverty measures (poverty and unemployment rates, per capita real income, as well as income maintenance, retirement, and unemployment payments), demographic changes (broken down by race, gender and age), and the national average changes in crime rates from year-to-year and average differences across states (the fixed year and state effects)."

gun violence statistics can say whatever you want them to say.

i could drag this abortion of a thread into the gutter by citing how much more likely it is that you kill yourself or a loved one rather than any intruder.

you can already defend yourself if need be without SYG. SYG is just lobbying spam. like rawn pawl.