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    Dr. Robert R. Owens Friday, May 18, 2012


    The economy is scheduled to plunge off a cliff in January.
    Back in the first two years after the Progressive’s November Revolution of 2008, the big government party enacted tax increases not scheduled to take place until after the 2012 elections. They also passed Obamacare which carries within it multiple tax increases, which are also scheduled to take affect after the 2012 election. Combine these with previous tax rollbacks scheduled to expire in January 2013 and we are looking at the major economic crisis the progressives have worked so hard to create so they can then work so hard to solve.
    In 2010 the voters got a chance to let the central planners know what they thought of what had been done with the power entrusted to them in 2008. However, with only one house of Congress in Republican hands they were unable to reverse any of the changes made in the first two years of the Obama administration, so come January we hit the wall.
    This manufactured economic crisis will be used by the triumphant Progressives as proof that capitalism doesn’t work. Then following their play book, since too much government wrecked the economy we need more government to fix the economy. They will tighten the already strangulating regulatory straight jacket. If Obamacare is upheld and implemented, within a few years it will kill the private insurance industry as company after company figures out it is cheaper to pay the fines imposed than purchase the insurance required. The flight of paying customers from the private insurance companies will force them into bankruptcy. Remember even if they used deceptive language at the moment of passing the bill President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid were on the record many times saying what they were aiming at was a single payer European type healthcare system. And we can all see how well that is working out for the Europeans.
    They will also use the failure of the insurance industry as more proof that capitalism doesn’t work.
    As President Obama travels around the country inciting class warfare with his constant attacks on the millionaires and billionaires which he tells us aren’t paying their fair share he continues to accept vast amounts of money from those same millionaires and billionaires. While his administration imposes regulation after regulation that every day makes it harder to start new businesses, maintain or expand small businesses he turns a blind eye to the continued casino like atmosphere at the largest banks: the ones that are too big to fail and which should be too big to bail.
    The largest bank in the country, J. P. Morgan Chase just lost another couple of billions in risky credit derivatives that their own chairman says were ill-conceived, poorly executed, and not managed very well. This is the same bank that President Obama says is one the best run banks in America and the same chairman who has visited the Whitehouse at least 18 times since 2009.. The Chairman of the Board Jamie Diamom, the one in charge when all the poor execution was going on was just voted 23 million dollars in compensation while the stockholders take it in the wallet.
    Crony capitalism, where the public takes the risk and bears the loss while the cronies who contribute money to the politicians reap the benefits is alive and well. Favored corporation such as GE whose chairman, Jeffrey R. Immelt serves on the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness makes billions in profit and often pays nothing in taxes. Personally I believe there should be no corporate taxes since they are in reality double taxation but taxing some while exempting others is the worst kind of Corporatism and the President merely uses this system to reward donors and then turns around and attacks this pay-to-play system as an example of the rich not paying their fair share.
    There is a con game going on. Straw men are being set up only to be knocked down. Our fellow Americans who get their news from Jay Leno and the Daily Show have no idea what is being done. They swallow the party line as belched out by the Corporations Once Known as the Mainstream Media and troop to the polls to vote for the same party their fathers and grandfathers voted for. But the major parties today aren’t ideologically, organizationally, or in practice the same parties America has known.
    Neither party stands for smaller government, individual freedom, and economic opportunity. At one time they both stood for these fundamentally American concepts. Operating like the twin heads of one bird of prey, both major parties expand the government and add to the regulatory burden which is changing America from the Land of the Free into a totalitarian morass that is stagnating its way from the first world to the second world.
    From the beginning of the primary process it was obvious that Romney was the anointed choice of the establishment Republicans and the media. Now that he has been all but chosen it is time for the Democrats to scare up a third party somewhere somehow. President Obama’s record of socialist accomplishments is so stunning it has even aroused enough of the politically comatose to push him back to the 40+% of the electorate who would vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for anyone except a Democrat. He has lost the independents and the undecided. His only chance for victory is a third party, so there will be a third party even if the Democrats have to invent it and pay for it themselves.
    As the big day, the day when we as voters will get a chance to reverse the November Revolution of 2008, watch as a third party emerges, well-funded and well prepared. This third party will say all the right things. They will come across as conservative ideologically and economically. They will probably even try to portray themselves as the organized expression of the thousands of independent Tea Parties across the country.
    No third party has won a presidential election in America since 1860. The rules have been rigged, and so many people vote instinctively for the party their fathers voted for the odds of a third party winning are close to the odds of winning the power ball.
    If the progressives win one more election they will cement in their transformation of America from a land based on equal opportunity to a land of based on equal outcome. Everyone gets the same thing except of course for those who divvy up the swag. Those who divide what they take from the producers to give to the non-producers always seem to end up with everything while everyone else gets just enough to get by long enough to produce something else that can be expropriated by an all-powerful central government.
    The Progressives who have taken control of America act as if all the money we earn is theirs and the only debate is about how much they will let us keep. And they constantly remind us that the government can’t afford to leave us with too much money. If they did we wouldn’t be dependent on them.

    Maybe we should change the motto from E Pluribus Unum to What’s Mine is Mine What’s Yours is Negotiable.
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    Lol I stopped reading where you suggest there should be no corporate taxes.

    Almost as laughable as the assertion that the economic mess just suddenly happened when Obama took office.

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    We're well over $15trillion in debt and one party wants to continue the out of control spending on money we do not have, what else could it be but a manufactured crisis?
    As it is, we take in $1.3 trillion annually between federal income and corporate taxes, but we spend over $3.5trillion, do the math. For those who drink the "let's tax the rich" koolaid, answer this, we could triple the tax rates of the rich and we'd still be short over $1trillion a year, where is the rest of the money suppose to come from? The new revenue from this "rich tax" would not even come close to paying the interest on the money we currently borrow from China alone!

    People need to wake up, this isn't a fight between the left and right, it's a fight to save our country.
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    I didnt suggest anything and what was suggested is that corporate income is already taxed twice. Nobody asserted anything about the economic mess, but for some its just too easy to want to still blame Bush after all this time while Obama and the Dems. are runnijng us into a hole so deep we will never get out, you know the same ignorant crowd that thinks taxing the rich will solve the economic problems... Carry on, 0bama loves you!
    “President Obama’s first term worked out well for his donors who got special access and taxpayer money for their failed ventures. It hasn’t worked as well for the 23 million Americans struggling for work in the worst economic recovery our country has ever had.

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    wow, copy and paste king actually cites his article this time.

    but still not an original thought in his hollow little pea-sized brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinbud View Post
    ...the same ignorant crowd that thinks taxing the rich will solve the economic problems..
    the ignorant ones are the ones who think more supply side economics will make anything any better.

    we've tried reaganomics for 30 years. what have we gotten? complete wage stagnation, despite increased productivity and lower taxes on the "job creators".

    we tried doubling down on reaganomics under shrub. what did we get? ZERO net job growth. ZERO.

    i thought that money was supposed to trickle down? where's it going? it is clearly not going into more jobs. it is clearly not going into better wages. so where does it trickle down to?

    answer? straight into the pockets of the uber wealthy, of course. hence the alarming rise in income inequality.

    retards who are not uber wealthy will carry the water for the koch brothers and the like, not realizing that they are being the good little useful idiots they are meant to be.
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    Gawd Ed Schultz and the NYT love you..... Are you by chance posting from an OWS heard?

    The only think we know for sure that isn't working is what's been going on the last 7+ years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    the ignorant ones are the ones who think more supply side economics will make anything any better.

    we've tried reaganomics for 30 years. what have we gotten? complete wage stagnation, despite increased productivity and lower taxes on the "job creators".

    we tried doubling down on reaganomics under shrub. what did we get? ZERO net job growth. ZERO.

    i thought that money was supposed to trickle down? where's it going? it is clearly not going into more jobs. it is clearly not going into better wages. so where does it trickle down to?

    answer? straight into the pockets of the uber wealthy, of course. hence the alarming rise in income inequality.

    retards who are not uber wealthy will carry the water for the koch brothers and the like, not realizing that they are being the good little useful idiots they are meant to be.
    Imagine that, not a mention of our massive debt, not a word about out of control government spending. Instead, it's the typical blame the other side game and the fixation of the successful.

    And the only thing you know about the Reagan years is what you're read from the Huffington Post, had you actually worked and lived through it, you'd be begging for it's return.

    It's people like you Bucky that are part of the problem. You're always running your uninformed mouth about the rich not paying enough taxes, yet you admit yourself, you're not a contributor! How much in taxes have you paid to help this country?
    Anyone that sits on his ass and lets his wife support him and has no skin in the game, has no room to complain about a damn thing in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Imagine that, not a mention of our massive debt, not a word about out of control government spending. Instead, it's the typical blame the other side game and the fixation of the successful.
    oh, yes. let's talk about reaganomics and massive debt.

    exhibit A:



    another look? sure. exhibit B:



    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    It's people like you Bucky that are part of the problem. You're always running your uninformed mouth about the rich not paying enough taxes, yet you admit yourself, you're not a contributor! How much in taxes have you paid to help this country?
    Anyone that sits on his ass and lets his wife support him and has no skin in the game, has no room to complain about a damn thing in my book.
    my wife doesn't support me, she's living off savings and investment income right now. i do pay taxes and even sent the state a check for my below poverty wages this year.

    you're just an uninformed, irksome blatherskite.
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    what was the top marginal tax rate like when we had those 3 years of surpluses? anyone want to take a stab at that?

    LOL!
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