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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungus Gnat View Post
    That's absurd, how many rich people are going to trade their life for welfare? It's an insane argument.

    Protecting purchasing power at the expense of society is like denying people a college education to increase the value of you're own. It's selfish and bad for society.
    Maybe absurd in your opinion but I realize utopia only exists in fairy tales and socialist's minds.
    Who says the "rich people" would have to trade their life for welfare, you, opinions my friend, are a dime a dozen!

    What's absurd to me, and most Americans, is the thought of a centralized government telling me what is best for me and my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    i mean, he called me out for not posting my taxes, and i posted them quite clearly.

    then he goes on to talk about killing the poor and killing anyone who wants to support the poor in an organized fashion.

    i mean, i could understand voting against helping the poor schemes i disagree with, but to kill the people who support them and benefit from them "righteously"?

    that kid is psycho and needs major help.
    And your taxes were wrong from your original claim.

    Explain to me how you didn't get called out. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    let's get this straight: i call the people who feel that taxation is theft moochers.

    sorry i proved all of you wrong after laying a days in the making trap, just gonna have to expect those from me. i lay traps all the time.
    And I call people who want a health care mandates worked into the taxes, moochers. What's your point? It's not a logical one...

    As long as the government uses illegal taxes to steal from me, I'll steal right back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungus Gnat View Post
    One doesn't have to use a government service to benefit from it. In general social programs benefit society more than cost and are a lot cheaper than prisons. Food stamps for example provide a multiplier of economic stimulus for every dollar spent. Even Milton Friedman while disliking that the government runs these programs couldn't deny that they benefited everyone. His idea was to replace these government programs with a guaranteed minimum income system, funded with a negative income tax. Yes, wealth redistribution... the father of conservative economics is a socialist!!!!
    Not sure what you're getting at.

    A guaranteed minimum income system is what a large percentage of this country is running on now, and that's why this country is going to financially collapse.

    Taking from some to give to all never makes sense, regardless of the angle you approach it from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowFarmer View Post
    How can taxes be theft in a Democracy?
    If you are actually asking that question with seriousness, you're so far out of it, it's just not funny.

    I'm not kidding. What the fuck is in your drinking water?
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    Quote Originally Posted by InCognition View Post
    If you are actually asking that question with seriousness, you're so far out of it, it's just not funny.

    I'm not kidding. What the fuck is in your drinking water?
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    Quote Originally Posted by InCognition View Post
    As long as the government uses illegal taxes to steal from me, I'll steal right back.
    read the 16th amendment, you psycho mooch.
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    Hello retarded bucky. Apparently you reading compensation has failed you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by InCognition View Post
    If you are actually asking that question with seriousness, you're so far out of it, it's just not funny.

    I'm not kidding. What the fuck is in your drinking water?
    Quote Originally Posted by InCognition View Post
    Not sure what you're getting at.

    A guaranteed minimum income system is what a large percentage of this country is running on now, and that's why this country is going to financially collapse.

    Taking from some to give to all never makes sense, regardless of the angle you approach it from.
    No, I really do not understand how in a Real Democracy, not this sham of a nation but you all seem to believe the illusion so in a nation that has a habit of bringing Democracy to the rest of the world how taxes decided upon by a majority would be theft of the minority in opposition.

    The minimum wage you are referring to is set and controlled by Big Corp in the interest of Big Corp. He is referring to a completely different system in which the minimum wage would be set in the interest of the society -details you know?
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    Also, taking from some to give to all doesn't make any sense if there is an even or somewhat even distribution of wealth. In a society where 20% of the people control 85% of the wealth- well actually That doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to Me at all! That means the huge majority of the society, 4/5 of the population only controls 1/5 of that society's wealth. How could that happen in a society that boasts equal opportunity? Make some sense of it for me, could you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    read the 16th amendment, you psycho mooch.
    Why, then, does the IRS, itself, say that compliance is voluntary?
    Why has nobody ever been able to produce the law, statute or regulation that states that wages are subject to taxation?
    Why did the Supreme Court say, "the 16th amendment gives no new power of taxation"?
    What is the definition of income, when it comes to the 16th amend., income tax and the IRS?
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