New Obama Campaign Slogan has strong ties to Socialism

Originally Posted by InCognition

Unions:

Groups of people that don't understand their employer should have the right to fire them, change their wages, cut their hours, change their job-position, or alter their job-hours at free will. A group of people that doesn't understand, you work for your employer, on their terms, the employer does not work for you, on your terms.

A group of people that don't understand they took a job at their own free will. A group of people that don't understand, that if they don't like the terms of a job, they have the right to quit at their own free will.

In other words, a bunch of selfish cowards who use legal extortion because they think they have a right to be employed.

i would say the selfish coward is the person who has their employees work in unsafe conditions for menial wages because they want to put an extra dollar or two in their pocket.

ya know, because running a sweatshop is such noble work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangl...t_Factory_fire

by the way, i can't take anything you say seriously after looking at your grow. i suspect you are another one of these annoying, naive little 19 year olds who would suck ron paul's cock if given the chance.

Originally Posted by abandonconflict

That is what I am starting to like about him. My brother is a union delegate and my dad was in a union for decades, both are rather pro-Obama which also got me thinking. Then in his latest ad, there was a line "Don't underestimate the American worker". I'm starting to like this guy. He isn't just creating jobs, he is creating incentive to work. There is no fear mongering involved either, he doesn't use that tactic. Even Ron Paul does, such as his advice to buy gold. Or Faux news tactics to garner support for Iran intervention. Domestic spending won't break the bank, the money stays here, it is foreign policy and defense spending that sends our money out of our borders.

Pity his "job creation" is only involving a very slight net jobs increase, which after a huge rise in unemployment isn't much of an achievement.

Socialism doesn't fucking work! So many places have tried it (check out Europe/Russia/China) and it's been fail-sauce all the way. It's great for freeloaders tho, so it's typical Democrat policy...gotta keep robbing Peter to keep Paul on your side.

There is a reason the rest of the world is starting to adopt a free market and move away from socialism for example the standard of living rises.

Originally Posted by SirLancelot

There is a reason the rest of the world is starting to adopt a free market and move away from socialism for example the standard of living rises.

you sound confused. the rest of the world employs a much more socialistic model than we do. take health care, for example.

britain has the NHS. they will NEVER get rid of it, it is too popular. so they will never move away from socialism. what they are doing is introducing a few free market mechanisms into their socialistic model to help improve it. that's not moving away from socialism, that's improving the socialistic model.

and you know what? it works way better than ours does. it insures all their citizens, not just some. no one ever goes broke or loses their house due to medical debt. and they pay about half of what we do per capita for health care as a nation.

wake me up when they get rid of the NHS so i can congratulate you on making a true statement. until then, your statement is completely and utterly false.

I thought we were talking about government influence on the economy and how it's a fact the freer a nation is from government control they experience higher economic growth, Look at china OMG their economy has been growing at over a 10% rate annually for like 10yrs they have been making moves in their economics toward a free market and this is a result, but are keeping their communistic political system, similar to Britain and others that are adopting some mechanisms. I suppose I through "the rest of the world" around too freely, your correct they are adopting mechanisms.

I don't know enough information on healthcare to provide any useful rebuttle.

Here:
http://www.heritage.org/index/video

Originally Posted by SirLancelot

I thought we were talking about government influence on the economy and how it's a fact the freer a nation is from government control they experience higher economic growth, Look at china OMG their economy has been growing at over a 10% rate annually for like 10yrs they have been making moves in their economics toward a free market and this is a result, but are keeping their communistic political system, similar to Britain and others that are adopting some mechanisms. I suppose I through "the rest of the world" around too freely, your correct they are adopting mechanisms.

I don't know enough information on healthcare to provide any useful rebuttle.

Here:
http://www.heritage.org/index/video

10% rate of growth is unmanageable and just a bad idea.

the idea is to have controlled growth, not out of control growth.

Originally Posted by InCognition

Unions:

Groups of people that don't understand their employer should have the right to fire them, change their wages, cut their hours, change their job-position, or alter their job-hours at free will. A group of people that doesn't understand, you work for your employer, on their terms, the employer does not work for you, on your terms.

A group of people that don't understand they took a job at their own free will. A group of people that don't understand, that if they don't like the terms of a job, they have the right to quit at their own free will.

In other words, a bunch of selfish cowards who use legal extortion because they think they have a right to be employed.

I strongly dissagree. Having worked Union for 7 years, and spending years running the third largest Union Contractorship in my state. Can things get out of hand at times? Yes. These are working class people who wish to work for fair wages in a safe environment all to feed their families. Good bussiness management understands it is in partnership with it's employees that all prosper. I have a small bussiness of my own and when my people come to me for help or advice you bet I come with everything I have to help them out. This idea of heirarchies instead of lateral or equal relationships is destructive. As people who all have the same needs in life there should be a mutual respect. If bussinesses operated fairly and weren't abusing their employees, Unions would have never come about in the first place. Most of the people I meet who are against Unions have either never worked Union or had a bad experience they wish to blame the Union for.

Originally Posted by SirLancelot

I thought we were talking about government influence on the economy and how it's a fact the freer a nation is from government control they experience higher economic growth, Look at china OMG their economy has been growing at over a 10% rate annually for like 10yrs they have been making moves in their economics toward a free market and this is a result, but are keeping their communistic political system, similar to Britain and others that are adopting some mechanisms. I suppose I through "the rest of the world" around too freely, your correct they are adopting mechanisms.

I don't know enough information on healthcare to provide any useful rebuttle.

Here:
http://www.heritage.org/index/video

What Buck doesn't realise is Socialism is a bigger burden on workers and less on people who arnt bothered.

Plus I'm sorry to say it, but in Ireland/the UK waiting times are unreal if you don't have private insurance.

There are hundreds of people who have to wait 3+ months for a cancer diagnosis which effectively ends their life.

So I pay a hell of alot more tax than my US counterparts, to pay for freeloaders and an ineffectual system and still have to buy private insurance to receive a decent medical service?

The grass might LOOK greener over here, but in reality to make it seem that green it has to stink of shit...and I'd rather have a yellow lawn I can use and chill out on than a shitty smelly green one that is unusable if you get the analogy.

If I had the choice, Id drop universal healthcare here, use Government to put a contract for the provision of the services up to tender, and reinvest the money improving State education...at least that way people can get jobs to buy their insurance.