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**UncleBuck** · 03-21-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by DustBomb

did u guys hear the 911 tape?

yes, the yelling for help followed by a loud pop pretty much tells the tale.

hard to say you are acting in self defense when you are twice the size and actively aggressing your unarmed victim. not to mention trayvan was found face down on the ground.

i can't wait to see zimmerman rot behind bars for the rest of his life.

**Carne Seca** · 03-21-2012, 10:47 PM

He wasn't even a neighborhood watch member. He was a cop wannabe with a god complex. And why the fuck did the NRA have so much influence over that law being passed? Law enforcement in FLA was patently against the law from the get-go. Fifty-four previous 911 calls? A history of domestic violence and racist ideology? Why the fuck is he not behind bars and why the fuck didn't he cops do a background check? They did for Trayvan while he was dead on the pavement. They even drug tested him. After he was dead. The 911 tape clearly indicates he was under the influence of something. Why didn't they drug test him? He was the one who killed another person after all. AUGH!!! This pisses me off so much.

**UncleBuck** · 03-21-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Carne Seca

He wasn't even a neighborhood watch member. He was a cop wannabe with a god complex. And why the fuck did the NRA have so much influence over that law being passed? Law enforcement in FLA was patently against the law from the get-go. Fifty-four previous 911 calls? A history of domestic violence and racist ideology? Why the fuck is he not behind bars and why the fuck didn't he cops do a background check? They did for Trayvan while he was dead on the pavement. They even drug tested him. After he was dead. The 911 tape clearly indicates he was under the influence of something. Why didn't they drug test him? He was the one who killed another person after all. AUGH!!! This pisses me off so much.

yes, the more details are uncovered, the more it stinks.

**cannabineer** · 03-21-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Carne Seca

He wasn't even a neighborhood watch member. He was a cop wannabe with a god complex. And why the fuck did the NRA have so much influence over that law being passed? Law enforcement in FLA was patently against the law from the get-go. Fifty-four previous 911 calls? A history of domestic violence and racist ideology? Why the fuck is he not behind bars and why the fuck didn't he cops do a background check? They did for Trayvan while he was dead on the pavement. They even drug tested him. After he was dead. The 911 tape clearly indicates he was under the influence of something. Why didn't they drug test him? He was the one who killed another person after all. AUGH!!! This pisses me off so much.

Educate the hermit please ... which law? cn

**Carne Seca** · 03-21-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by cannabineer

Educate the hermit please ... which law? cn

The stand your ground law which the NRA is pushing all over the nation.

**DelSlow** · 03-22-2012, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Carne Seca

The stand your ground law which the NRA is pushing all over the nation.

I don't even see how they could use that law as a defense. Then again, this guy hasn't even been arrested yet. How crazy is that shit?

**UncleBuck** · 03-22-2012, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by DelSlow

I don't even see how they could use that law as a defense. Then again, this guy hasn't even been arrested yet. How crazy is that shit?

they shouldn't be able to, from what i have heard (in passing). i believe there is a "duty to retreat" in self defense. you can't really be acting in self defense if you are aggressing, or even not retreating.

in my state, if someone trespasses on my property and injures themselves on my hypothetical trip lines, i can be sued.

if 5 gangsters walk into my property and take my plants, i would have to let them as long as they are not posing a threat to my life.

so for zimmerman to aggress someone and kill them and go home with his loaded weapon does not sit well with me.

**DelSlow** · 03-22-2012, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

they shouldn't be able to, from what i have heard (in passing). i believe there is a "duty to retreat" in self defense. you can't really be acting in self defense if you are aggressing, or even not retreating.

in my state, if someone trespasses on my property and injures themselves on my hypothetical trip lines, i can be sued.

if 5 gangsters walk into my property and take my plants, i would have to let them as long as they are not posing a threat to my life.

so for zimmerman to aggress someone and kill them and go home with his loaded weapon does not sit well with me.

The way this whole story turned out, you'd think zim was a cop. But he clearly isn't.

Why no arrest? I get caught with a gram? JAIL SCUMBAG!

Zim kills a kid? Here's your gun back, sir.

I can't comprehend the way things are sometimes.

**ink the world** · 03-22-2012, 04:18 AM

Disgusting story on every level.

Disgusted by the killer, disgusted at the local PD and disgusted by the fact he's a free man.
Pretty much perpetuates the stereotypes of the deep South, WTF is wrong with people down there? If you rednecks keep allowing this shit then you deserve the stereotype

The shooter had better live out his life in PC once he gets locked up, talk about a target.

**PraxicalExcercise** · 03-22-2012, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by UncleBuck

they shouldn't be able to, from what i have heard (in passing). i believe there is a "duty to retreat" in self defense. you can't really be acting in self defense if you are aggressing, or even not retreating.

The 'stand your ground' law specifically and explicitely removes the duty to retreat.

(Also, FWIW, Duty to Retreat is a little more complicated than that -- you must retreat if possible to do so without putting yourself in more danger, and in some cases it would be acceptable to attack an aggressor before they touched you, particularly if you're cornered. It's basically common sense self-defense. You can kill people to defend your life, but you can't kill them to defend your stuff, and if you can avoid getting into a situation where you have to use force, you must do so. If you can't, game's on.)

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