Originally Posted by what... huh?

I don't buy all of the NIST report either. 7 is tough to wrap your head around.

I don't know what structural damage occurs when two of the largest buildings in the world collapse near a perfectly good building. I have to imagine the intensity of seismic activity is pretty high. Much less part of the collapse falling on the building itself. I expect it is pretty devastating. I don't know if it would "shake off" fireproofing. I don't have a strong enough argument or research to even address it at the moment.

I do not buy that fireproofed steel "expanded", cracking the footing.


However my inability to figure out what happened in that one building does not leave only the alternative of controlled demolition. So many other aspects of that theory are utterly impossible, illogical, or incorrect. This argument is very difficult. Conspiracists, because of the very nature of the conspiracy, accept un-credible and disingenuous sources... while refusing to accept "credible" sources.

There are also different kinds of conspiracists. There are the tin foil hat wearers, who believe everything is a conspiracy, and every failure in their lives is directly attributable to conspirators. They love Art Bell, and believe in EVERY conspiracy. Conspiracy is their go-to, and, frankly, are typically mentally unstable. Revelation has no effect on these people without a lot of therapy to get there. It is the reason Dr. Phil is a joke. Getting dysfunctional people on stage, and just telling them what is obviously wrong with them does not effect change. There is a reason psychologists/psychiatrists follow the proceedures they do to achieve a "breakthrough". No matter what evidence you provide to them, it will become twisted and unsettling in their heads, which rationalizes their behavior.

They are impossible to argue with.

Then you have rational people, who simply interpret evidence differently than others due to their experiences. Typically they have inquisitive minds and the fortitude to express their opinions. While they may not concede easily, they are logical, and an ultimate decision of fact or fiction is possible through the process of debate. They cannot help the company they keep. I certainly believe I am right, as do they. Anything is possible, and there is so much that is unknown, and may remain unknown forever... all we can do is try to come together on the preponderance of evidence... and we will likely part this discussion unchanged. It is of merit to try, on both sides, to find an ultimate truth.


ATC would have to know. The northeastern seaboard is the most heavily observed airspace in the world. You could not switch planes without SOMEONE catching it.
Military personnel would have to know. Fighter jocks are not marines. Ground crews, readiness crews... these people train for this all day every day. ONE of them would have to say WTF? Norad station workers would have to know. I mean ffs these guys think the reporters knew ahead of time. Firefighters had to know... there is video of dozens of them saying 7 was gonna fall. The dead/not dead passengers can't keep this to themselves, from their families... so you have to assume that they were killed, by someone. NTSB would also have to be in on it, without a single investigator calling foul.


I would also point out that nobody has addressed the buckling of wtc 1 and 2.

Riddle me that.

Just those conspirators alone... do you know what they all have in common?

Their lives are dedicated to saving American lives, and not a single person has ever come forward.


This is why I keep asking the same question that no conspiracist will answer.

How many people minimum would be required to pull this off?

Originally Posted by ImTheDude

I wont speak as unintelligable and unclear in a way that even the most intelligent people can't follow me.

Originally Posted by CrackerJax

It's really about taking the blame off Al Queda. All of the conspiracy "theories" have been shown to be false, but a core section of folks WANT it to be true...like alien abduction. I put 9/11 "theorists" in the very same category.

Originally Posted by CrackerJax

I think you all need to ask yourselves, ..."Why don't I believe a well trained terrorist cell could fly planes into towers?"

Originally Posted by CrackerJax

It's not factual if it is pulled out of context and twisted into a new reality. That's basically what the 9/11 conspiracy is. Of course what it is FIRST, is a money maker for the authors... ka-CHING!!!$$$