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They do not allow logic.


Only FACTS... which you must always capitalize. Unfortunately they have their own parameters for what constitutes a fact... er FACT.
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random fact:

A steel structure has never, not once, collapsed due to fire before or since 9/11
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random fact:

A steel structure has never, not once, collapsed due to fire before or since 9/11

If you would actually read the posts, it might help when defining your random parameters for "facts".



Steel structure, with the bonus of a cement core.




(see what I mean?)
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If you would actually read the posts, it might help when defining your random parameters for "facts".



Steel structure, with the bonus of a cement core.




(see what I mean?)
The building is still standing...

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What do you not understand about what I have said? I mean... you quoted me... so it wasn't like you missed it. I said this is not just a roving youtube gangbang... it is a debate.

Are you afraid of going one argument at a time? Do you find safety in numbers?

DO YOU CONCEDE YOUR FIRST ARGUMENT?

If so, what, specifically, would you like to move to next? Because half of those 18 things I have destroyed in the last 3 pages since you came in. You have to actually address rebuttals, if you wish to have an argument. You can't just keep claiming your belief which has just been rebutted, as "fact", obscuring it in a flurry of OTHER bullshit.

Man up, and follow the rules of debate, or there is no point in wasting time with you. Any time I debunk something, you just move to something else you think is more winnable.

I have said I will address ANY FUCKING QUESTION, in order. I will absolutely admit when I am wrong, and have done so each time I have been since I came to this board, on any subject.

Why can you people not stay focused?


Your original claim was...



This was your original post. Your original argument was that 7 was the only building which sustained structural damage... and then asked me to support my claim that a really big building on fire fell on it... and I did.. and you have not contested anything that I have said. You just keep trying to make new points about single arguments I am having with other people.

Are you ready to concede this first argument before we move on?
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:57 PM
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The north wing completely collapsed. You may have noticed that it is different than wtc 1 2 or 7.


The north wing was a steel structure. It completely collapsed due only to "normal" fire.


Fact.



Silence speaks volumes. If you do not have the intellectual honesty to accept that you were incorrect about other buildings being made structurally unsound by the collapse of 1 and 2, then there is no point wasting time with you. If you wish to continue to debate the topic, that is one thing... but just ignoring evidence to the contrary and moving on is what heretics do.
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If you would actually read the posts, it might help when defining your random parameters for "facts".



Steel structure, with the bonus of a cement core.




(see what I mean?)

FACT: that building is NOT a steel structure, it is a reinforced CONCRETE structure. You can find the facts about the fire and the building here :http://www.europeanfireacademy.com/c...cham_Mar29.pdf

Its a PDF document of the study done of the fire, it specifically states that it is a REINFORCED CONCRETE structure. Concrete cannot withstand fire the way Steel can. Oh and FWIW that fire raged for over 8 hours to cause a collapse. There goes your argument WH, find more lies for us to debunk.

For those who don't know, The building is the Architecture Facility at the University of Delft in the Netherlands. Its made of cement reinforced with rebar. IT IS NOT A STEEL BUILDING LIKE THE WTC BUILDINGS. Do not let What...Huh try to deceive you with lies.

edit: just went back and read your first post of this video and you actually posted that it was a reinforced concrete structure, which means that you have no clue what steel reinforced concrete is, Its a 1/2" piece of re bar ( Not Structural) through the middle of a slab of concrete, its used to help hold all the concrete together, it is not structural, i can take a piece of rebar and bend it into a circle with my bare hands. You can no longer argue this subject, you don't know the basics of what constitutes building materials. No wonder you believe they just fell.
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I said a concrete core. I do have some clue, while no expert.

I watched the demolition and you are correct. It is not a seel structure. I am wrong. I should have checked more before posting... my laziness. Should have done due diligence. I'm very sick, that's my excuse. People shouldn't have to do my research for me.
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The kader toy factory was a steel reinforced building that collapsed due to fire only.



So was the McCormick Center in Chicago. It had similar web trusses which failed.



That hotel fire in madrid had a partial collapse due to fire only...



http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095

That concrete core I keep going on about.

"The only part of the building to collapse was the network of steel perimeter columns supporting the slab on the upper floors."

Yes ND... I will get to fireproofing. Right now I am addressing "normal fire" weakening and causing collapse of steel reinforced structures.
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The multitude of steel structures you have shown have had a couple of key differences... not that it really matters...

Most have a concrete core.
Most have a web like structure.
All have one or the other.



It was to make more office space... more shit to burn.
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The kader toy factory was a steel reinforced building that collapsed due to fire only.



So was the McCormick Center in Chicago. It had similar web trusses which failed.



That hotel fire in madrid had a partial collapse due to fire only...



http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095

That concrete core I keep going on about.

"The only part of the building to collapse was the network of steel perimeter columns supporting the slab on the upper floors."

Yes ND... I will get to fireproofing. Right now I am addressing "normal fire" weakening and causing collapse of steel reinforced structures.
Very very cute. Obviously you didn't watch this video
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