Stands up and erupts into applause..............

I have very little time for internet play. Other threads have been more entertaining of late. When I have lost an argument I will concede it. Until such time as I voice my defeat, do not celebrate it.

What molten aluminum "theory" did you disprove? Oh... yes... lol... the color didn't look right to you, before the building didn't fall like you expected.

At some point we really are going to have to go over the definitions of "facts", "evidence", "proof", and "theory".

PROPOSING subjective evidence to support a theory is not "proof" "disproof" or "fact", and I am sick of making the distinction for you.



Please note in the above photo that the color of that pesky metal turns from yellow at the point of origin, to silver as cooled by the air at the bottom.

Please note this EVIDENCE supporting my BELIEF that this is molten aluminum.



Note that the stream of molten aluminum is not silver, but yellow and red... because of the temperature of that particular molten aluminum. Most experienced pourers let it cool a bit before pouring.



This is a plant recycling aluminum. See all those other colors? Some of that is other stuff (slag) melted with the aluminum. I expect WTC was not exactly a lab environment for melting aluminum.



More yellow from pure aluminum



An aluminum foundry. Pretty huh?


I know right... you are all confused... cause your sites show you this



Aluminum glows when it is hotter. That is all... but thanks ever so much for playing.


So now... let us be clear. I have not "disproven" your theory. I have demonstrated that mine is equally valid. Please stop using the words if you do not understand their meaning.

Evidence is subject to interpretation and therefore debatable. While it CAN prove a thing, it should not be implied that its interpretation IS proof of a thing.

Subjective interpretation is NOT evidence.

Proof, is CONCLUSIVE evidence of the truth or existence of a thing.

Evidence that coincides with your expectation of it, is NOT proof.

Facts are known pieces of information that are indisputable.

Beliefs are NOT facts. Not even if they are common beliefs.


Now... please stop trying to embolden your position by misusing terms.





Btw. What is the minimum amount of people required for your conspiracy?

Minimum.

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Surprisingly enough you can get aluminum to glow red hot, I was wrong, but the temp needed to make it glow is right around 4500F(FACT). Now you aren't saying that the temps are at 4500F are you? because that would have easily melted the steel structure WAY before the aluminum would have glowed, and so we would have seen some type of structural damage before hand. As far as your pictures go, you will notice that all of the ones glowing are actually IN the FURNACE or in a vessel that is highly heated, its the furnace that glows, not your aluminum there buddy. The furnace is making the Aluminum glow, not the other way around. 1220 f (fact) is the melting point of aluminum, that pic showing the building MUST be iron/steel. Just because the red hot aluminum can keep its red color for 6 inches of pour as shown in your second picture only proves that it cools off so fast that there is no way it could sustain the kind of heat to make it glow while falling through the air. notice its still glowing red hot after falling several stories. Its not aluminum. Molten Iron/steel can do that, but not aluminum.

FWIW your pics are all over http://8real.proboards.com/index.cgi...play&thread=21 and are pretty much debunked as having any validity. You can believe all you want that it is Aluminum, but the evidence shows otherwise. You can also believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy, but that still doesn't make them real.

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Sorry mate ... I thought I was clear.

If you care about our country you owe it to her to investigate not only this, but the members of the Bilderberg group the Carlyle group, PNAC ... they believe they have a God given right to control our lives and they plan to create a one world government with them in complete control. Did you know that members of the Federal Reserve are above the law?

You are absolutely right about bush and obama is doing the same thing only expanding ... they plan to use obama to sell the NWO to the people ... we must shot out loud ... NO to global government.
It's amazing how many people on this fourm are willing to give up their liberty for security ... I'll take my chances with the so called terrorists than give MY freedom away. The sheeple may have no problem with it ... but I have a very big problem with it and I won't stand for it.


Notice folks at home how this guy like to play on words to try to win a no win argument? There is NOTHING subjective to the evidence of unreacted thermite at the site ... it's not a "subjective interpretation" with several witnesses stating they heard explosions before the buildings fell. It's not "subjective interpretation" to state the only way those building could have came down the way they did if for all the major point to fail at the same time which is impossible without some serious help. Instead of admitting he is wrong he'd rather continue this charade that he's proven the government story is true ... most with half a brain see that the evidence has been presented in this thread time and time again.
Also notice he doesn't provide the link source to his pictures ... but NO has ... that's the difference between us so called "truthers" and the lame ... we back our statements with links to the source.

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You heard what he said ... "don't be so damn naive". Life is truer than fiction!

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Props on intellectual honesty. I will stop being snide and shitty to you now. The temp to make it glow, however is not 4500F, and it is not a fact.

See the guys in the suits pouring the aluminum block? They are from popular mechanics, and the temperature is 1500c.

It is clearly a glowing stream.

Here. All PURE metals glow at the same temperatures regardless of their melting points. Again, as stated, nothing pure involved in that environment.
*The first chart is more recent and I am unsure of the source... the second is textbook, but very old (1929). I will try and find a better source when I have more time.



That would be silly now wouldn't it? No. I am not suggesting that.

Aluminum, glass, copper wiring... etc.

I do not understand your conclusion. It seems as if you believe that because pourers do not want to splash themselves with molten aluminum, that the aluminum can only travel that distance before cooling? Do any of them look... less glowing at the bottom of the stream than the top?

No... the pictures I didn't post have been called into question. I was very careful. I am aware that the furnace also contributes to the color... because all pure metals glow the same color at the same temperatures.



Pure aluminum in a tungsten boat. 1000C.

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heh, well I don't know about all metals glowing at the same temperature, i will have to do some research on that one. Anyway, the other point I was going to make before i had to run off to work, was that Aluminum melts(1220f) at a much lower temperature than steel/iron(2600-2700F) right? No One disputes that. But here is the thing, if the aluminum melted, wouldn't it have all spilled out BEFORE it got hot enough to glow white/yellow hot?? In other words, the aluminum didn't melt, then stick around to get super glowing hot and THEN DECIDE to flow out of the building did it?

Another thing about your graph you show for illustrating the temperatures of metal and their color when they reach that temp. If aluminum melts at 1220 F, then why is it not a cherry red like your chart suggests that it should be, your very last pic definitely shows MOLTEN ALUMINUM that is not glowing cherry red, in fact its as silvery colored as the metal is when cooled. Your chart and your pics prove one or the other as wrong.

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Emissivity.


.12 for pure aluminum.

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Some terrorists flew airplanes into the WTC, the pentagon, and some courageous civilians foiled a fourth and the plane crashed in PA.

I then believe the towers fell,due to fire, the impact, and the massive forces involved, and that they are not due to demolition or that the dumb ass Bush did it.

The only conspiracy I personally believe involved the terrorist conspiring to blow up the towers.

It's pretty simple, eh?

I'm a fan of Occam's Razor.

Aircraft grade aluminum IS .09. Steel is .20 to .32.

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