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I love how everyone is an expert in engineering and demoliton. And no, I did not read all 44 pages of this post. One, I dont need too, it's the same bullshit I've heard a million times, and two I did skim over some of it. Yes, I've seen all the conspiracy videos with the so called "experts". Most of the issues in questions where of regular people giving their on site comentary as it happened. Real, top or their game, professional engineers have said the plans brought the towers down.
Professional architects and engineers state that thermite brought those towers down ... those that tried to back the government version have been discredited ...

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How can the government even attempt to cover this us?
By not having a open public non partisan investigation ... where witnesses must testify under oath. They are not doing this ... why? It would stop all the protest and demands ... so why?

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The government could never keep this covered up if they had anything to do with it. There would have had to have been atleast 50-100 people involved.
The government hasn't been able to cover it up why the hell do you think there is so much on 911? Why do you think most people don't buy the so called official story?

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I'll tell you alittle story of a government cover up. It involved just 2 people. One was in a high ranking government position. Does any of this ring a bell yet? I'll tell who was involved, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. Yes, I know, how can this even compare. Well, it was a government cover up. And it only involved 2 people. Do you know the lengths they, both of them, went through to keep it covered up. And it still got out. Mainly because of the republicans. I suggest you read up more on that alittle more. It's some pretty fun reading too.
That wasn't a government cover-up ... that was a blow job that the GOP wanted to focus on to get at Clinton ... a government cover up is the murder 3000 people in order to start an illegal war and gain more executive powers ...money for corporate friends ... and to suppress the people with the so called patriot act.

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Also, for the government to be involved in the 911 attacks, it would have taken reaources of both parties, democrate and republican.
Bingo ... why do you think they are not having an open non partisan investigation ... the elite on both side would fry. They will go way out of their way to see that doesn't happen.

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How the hell could they have pulled that off when they can't even run the meet eye to eye on a budget.
They didn't pull it off ... if they had they wouldn't be all these calls for an investigation ... now would there?

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The fact is someone would have came out about it now.
Plenty have ... I have posted links to organization and individuals who have spoken out ... where you been?

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Something would have surfaced by now about their involvement.
... plenty has ... if you are expecting corporate media to cover it or won't accept anything unless corporate media covers it ... you are SOL.

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And do you really think our government is that smart to pull this off? Do you really think that?
Like I said before ... they didn't pull it off.

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And why would they want to do it? Yeah, the 2 wars we have are really paying off now.
Are you aware of the profits the defense contractors and oil companies have made since these illegal wars began? Get real. They are looting our treasury to line their greedy pockets ...

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When you say our governemnt did this, your really making them look good.....and smart I guess.
Only to those that think the official story is correct.


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Please don't do that. Our government is filled with a bunch of rich assholes who only thing about themselves and how to get elected again.
You have to get it through your head that the high members of government didn't get away with anything ... hence the outcry for a public non partisan investigation with testimony under oath.


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To give them the praise that they could pull this off is ignorant.
They didn't pull this off ...

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And your pissing all over the people and families who lost loved ones on that tragic day.
You'll have to explain that one to me ... how am I pissing on the families?

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I blame the internet. We are just a bunch of mice following the flute. Just because someone posts something on the internet of someone questioning something, does not mean it is a fact.
If it makes sense and follows science and gives clear evidence ... it's pretty hard to deny it as fact.

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And everytime I hear something involved in this conspiracy, I see America following the road of the stupid and selfish more and more. Every other country laughs at the U.S. because of this so called conspiacy theory.
Several countries ... and organizations ... I've posted links ... have already determine 911 was an inside job ... are they wackjobs too?

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Good job America! You just made us look even more stupid and selfish. Thanks!
Thank God for the internet America ... if not for that we wouldn't know any of the crimes being committed by high level members of our government.
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The rebar is inside the concrete ... hello? Rebar is use to construct bridges. It reinforces the concrete ... hello?
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Couple late additions. We determine a plane is "lost" when its ID transponder stops functioning. Either due to malfunction or the switch being turned off.

If grow cannot engage in civil discourse please have chrome dome ask any questions.
I will let "chrome dome" as you call him only because you have been unable to dispute any of his posts ... handle this one ...

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Lastly... Here is how you operate...

You paste a mountain of info. When reply, you try and insult the poster to unsettle them.
If you call trying to get you to refute the evidence ... with something creditable and believable ... unsettling .. so be it ...

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If a "fact" is disproven, you either change the scope of the original statement to create strawman arguments, simply say "nuh uh", or bury it in 300 miles of unrelated drivel and insults.
Once again folks at home he tries to project his short comings on to me ... and he will never tire of if no matter how stupid it makes him look. ... and when have I ever said ... "nuh uh" love to see that. See how they love to make shit up when they have no argument?

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This is why I keep asking you to address one argument at a time.
Folks have you notice the number of times he as said this yet it is he who goes on to something else ... I merely address it. Check it out in the past posts.

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As in one post at a time so as not to obfuscate your assertions which have been demonstrated to be false. This is also the exact reason you refuse.
See how he keeps proving me wrong when he hasn't? They are all like that ... that's why they are so fun.

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Most people do not engage you because you are tiring, insulting, and intellectually dishonest. Not because they are afraid of truth.
I have no problem what so ever with people engaging me ...that's just another one of your made up side stepping ploys ... doesn't work.

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If you do decide to drop the attitude and actually have a real debate, I will address only one topic at a time until it is put to bed.
Yawn ... same old same old ... what ever ... and if you don't like the attitude ... you don't have to post ... pretty simple concept don't you think?
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Professional architects and engineers state that thermite brought those towers down ... those that tried to back the government version have been discredited ...


By not having a open public non partisan investigation ... where witnesses must testify under oath. They are not doing this ... why? It would stop all the protest and demands ... so why?


The government hasn't been able to cover it up why the hell do you think there is so much on 911? Why do you think most people don't buy the so called official story?


That wasn't a government cover-up ... that was a blow job that the GOP wanted to focus on to get at Clinton ... a government cover up is the murder 3000 people in order to start an illegal war and gain more executive powers ...money for corporate friends ... and to suppress the people with the so called patriot act.


Bingo ... why do you think they are not having an open non partisan investigation ... the elite on both side would fry. They will go way out of their way to see that doesn't happen.


They didn't pull it off ... if they had they wouldn't be all these calls for an investigation ... now would there?


Plenty have ... I have posted links to organization and individuals who have spoken out ... where you been?


... plenty has ... if you are expecting corporate media to cover it or won't accept anything unless corporate media covers it ... you are SOL.


Like I said before ... they didn't pull it off.


Are you aware of the profits the defense contractors and oil companies have made since these illegal wars began? Get real. They are looting our treasury to line their greedy pockets ...


Only to those that think the official story is correct.



You have to get it through your head that the high members of government didn't get away with anything ... hence the outcry for a public non partisan investigation with testimony under oath.



They didn't pull this off ...


You'll have to explain that one to me ... how am I pissing on the families?


If it makes sense and follows science and gives clear evidence ... it's pretty hard to deny it as fact.


Several countries ... and organizations ... I've posted links ... have already determine 911 was an inside job ... are they wackjobs too?


Thank God for the internet America ... if not for that we wouldn't know any of the crimes being committed by high level members of our government.
Wow, you really want to belive this. I guess thats everyones right. I see you've been on here awhile now arguing this. You know, when this all came out, I listened. I try to give everyone their due. Alot of proof was given on both sides. But in the end, it just didn't add up. You have not shown me anything new. I've seen all the so called "evidence" I need to see.

I am an engineer, and a pretty damn good one if I may say so myself. Alot of this is just garbage. I can't belive I'm on another thread after all these years arguing again.

I think some people need to feel they are a part of something. They can't except a simple answer for this awful day. Radical, islamic extremist took over 4 planes and crashed them into large buildings. I know, I'm crazy to think that something so simple could happen.

If all this did happen they way you said it did, it will come out, and people will go to jail. You can't cover something like this up. You just can't. I don't care how much so called evidence you pull from the internet. It's been 8 years. If all this really happened, why is no one in jail. And why is the hype of this dying down?

Look, dude, good luck in your quest. You seem very passionate, and thats good. Too few people are passionate about anything. You seem to want to catch the people that did it. And you know what, the government is somewhat responsible our international policy with the islamic world. But be careful what you belive.

My dad always had a saying, believe nothing what you hear, half of what you see, and when those don't work, majority rules. But that saying can work in your favor..........except for the majority part.

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Wow, you really want to belive this.
No ... I just see the obvious.

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I guess thats everyones right. I see you've been on here awhile now arguing this. You know, when this all came out, I listened. I try to give everyone their due. Alot of proof was given on both sides. But in the end, it just didn't add up.
What didn't add up?

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You have not shown me anything new. I've seen all the so called "evidence" I need to see.

I am an engineer, and a pretty damn good one if I may say so myself. Alot of this is just garbage. I can't belive I'm on another thread after all these years arguing again.
Ladies and Gentlemen we have an engineer in the audience ... since the other guy can't seem to dispute Gage's 7 min video perhaps you could? Since you are an engineer and all it will be easy for you to point out where Gage is full of shit. We all will be waiting with bated breath for your response to this one.

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I think some people need to feel they are a part of something.
And some people are so brainwashed that they can't accept a simple fact. Certain members of government have no problem what so ever killing american or anyone else. Some people just can't handle the truth.

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They can't except a simple answer for this awful day.
With all the unanswered questions and improbability ... ah ... no ... not without an public non partisan investigation with witnesses under oath. Get it? So you can blow that simple answer out your ass all day long ... until a real investigation takes place ... only the minority you are in accepts the "simple answer". The rest of us want the fucking truth!

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Radical, islamic extremist took over 4 planes and crashed them into large buildings. I know, I'm crazy to think that something so simple could happen.
You got that right ... I don't believe for one damn minute that these individuals broke through all of the US defenses ... not one minute.

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If all this did happen they way you said it did, it will come out, and people will go to jail.
You got that right ... because there are plenty of us "tin foil hat" jobs to see to it ... check it people ... the DOJ won't do their job ... but we are going to find a why to bring these criminals to justice.

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AYou can't cover something like this up. You just can't.
Like I said before ...THEY HAVEN'T WE'RE ON TO THEM ... there's just a minority that don't ... no problem there .... there is enough of us to keep the pressure on ...


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I don't care how much so called evidence you pull from the internet. It's been 8 years. If all this really happened, why is no one in jail.
Because the people that control the DOJ are behind 911 ... it's clear the DOJ refuse to uphold the law ... that's a no brainer ...

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And why is the hype of this dying down?
Only in your mind ... that video was put up this month and there are plenty others.


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Look, dude, good luck in your quest.
Look, lady ... thanks ...


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You seem very passionate, and thats good. Too few people are passionate about anything. You seem to want to catch the people that did it. And you know what, the government is somewhat responsible our international policy with the islamic world. But be careful what you belive.
I'm always passionate for justice ... it's the libra in me ... who wouldn't want the real people behind this punish? It's not a question of "belief" it's a matter of facts ... and serious unanswered questions.


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My dad always had a saying, believe nothing what you hear, half of what you see, and when those don't work, majority rules. But that saying can work in your favor..........except for the majority part.
All of it's in my favor ... especially the majority part ... already been establish long ago in this thread that the majority don't buy the government bullshit story. Even a poll on this forum indicated most posters didn't buy the government's bullshit.


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Oh, I forget, did we land on the moon?
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The rebar is inside the concrete ... hello? Rebar is use to construct bridges. It reinforces the concrete ... hello?
Lol... So are you thinkin if the rebar gets hot it gets heavier? Because those 5 i-beams (which are larger than the wtc beams... Notice you dropped that argument) are BENT and FOLDED.

I am not talking about WTC right now, so quit bringing it up. We will cross that bridge when we get to it (couldn't resist). I am talking about THAT accident, and the resulting damage to the i-beams on the bridge.


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Lol... So are you thinkin if the rebar gets hot it gets heavier? Because those 5 i-beams (which are larger than the wtc beams... Notice you dropped that argument) are BENT and FOLDED.
You only prove my point ... the metal is "BENT and FOLDED" ... yet the WTC came crashing straight down instead of the "bent and folded" metal that we should have seen in a building still standing. ... oh larger beams eh?

NOT

See how big and thick and how many beams there are in those buildings folks? Way more than in a bridge and far bigger ... so wrong again dummy.


No way on God's green earth can those steel beams come crashing down in seconds after burning for less than 2 hours NO WAY ... you have to be stupid to believe otherwise.

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I am not talking about WTC right now, so quit bringing it up. We will cross that bridge when we get to it (couldn't resist). I am talking about THAT accident, and the resulting damage to the i-beams on the bridge.
The damage to the bridge is believable ... but not the skyscrapers ... all that metal didn't get weaken by fire alone ... it had a lot of help to bring all that steel down ... that bridge had no where near the amount of metal in a skyscapers ... and there was no melting metal with the bridge like with the towers.


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Okay I concede that I made you look stupid again
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What about "don't" do you not understand? I am not talking about 9/11/01. I am talking about 4/27/09. Worry not, I will get back to 9/11 and address all of these concerns then. We must first establish at least SOME facts.

So you accept that the bridges structural steel beams were weakened by the truck fire, which then stressed and buckled under the load of the bridge?


That is the on-ramp from the maze to the bay bridge... this is a massive structure.


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Dude, you don't know what your talking about. The towers didn't come down just because of the fire, but the weight as well. Ok, I can't do this again. I swore that I wouldnt get into anymore debates about the twin towers. Seriously, how strong do you think metal is? It can come down with the right amount of pressure from above. For explosives to be used a demo crew would have to have been those buildings for at least a week setting up. You just don't throw bombs in and push a button. How hard is to believe that a plan crashing into a building will bring it down. And your going to have to do something better then a poll on rollitup to convince me that your the majoritity in this.

And what profession are you in? I would really like to know. Look, like I said, your very passionate about. And for that, I have to give you respect. Too many people are not passionate about anything. So do something about. Seriously, write your local rep. Get lawyers involved. And try to put put who ever you said did this to jail. Go out and get some justice done besides hanging out on a computer all day looking stull up on the internet. Or go to school for engineering! Good luck!

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