I'm not frustrated ... in fact I'm having a good time making people like you look stupid. It's my favorite past time. Stick around.

No ... you are not debating the science ... you are just making up shit ... if you were debating the science as you claim you would have address the links I provided in my last post stating the evidence. Instead you try to side step the issue by making up some shit about me. But that don't fly and until you address the science link you will continue to look like the fool you are.

How the hell would you know if it was contrived ... you don't bother to read the evidence. Tell us exactly in the physic link what I "parrot is completely contrived" ... give an examples in the links provided with presumptions about circumstances I do not understand ... instead of just blowing it out your ass.

Oh really ... and since when is the pentagon and the financial center of the world not restricted air space? Blowing it out your ass again.

Once again you didn't read the link I posted on NORAD ... no surprise there. It only make you look stupid again so you might as well continue to ignore the link.

Yep and would have had the time to stop them ... if they had been called in a timely manner ... but they were not ... why?


Yes I would imagine the sound of TRUTH ringing in your head would drive someone that can't face the facts ... nuts ... yeah ... I can agree with you on this point.

I represent me, myself and I ... and I really don't care "who exactly do you think I do?"


Blowing it out your ass again ... they didn't take the flight path you claim ... and if you bother the check the links I provided you would have seen their flight path and the military bases ... with jets ... that they passed. So once again you make yourself look totally stupid.

Already did with the links I provided that you didn't bother to look at.

I don't know what you are talking about here ... too stupid to kill the people?

Nothing you write makes sense ... PNAC has no problem killing americans or anyone else ... and the "scapegoats" as you call them are running around in the US. I know I am ... but what are you?


Funny ... I can't find your link to this "flight manifest" ... and we don't want to know what it looks like ... we what to know if it's the list the hijackers were suppose to be on. So who is being intellectually dishonest?

That high members in SS knew that bush wasn't in danger ... and they knew because it was a false flag attack.

hee hee hee ... you are pretty funny. That's why I like you.

Obviously way too much for you to handle.


No ... the don't fall at all! ... but you can't seem to comprehend that simple concept. Plenty of video links ... an excellent one on the previous page with Richard Gage comparing the WTC and a building being demolished in a side by side video ... and lots more all throughout this thread ... knock yourself out ... but somehow ... I doubt you will ... why look at videos that make you look

Wrong again ... they are the only THREE in history ... So you demostrat that you really don't know what you are talking about ... the 15 sec drop into it's foot print ... something you still can't seem to explain ... oh I'm sorry you said they were delicate. ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ...


The challenge you have offer is by insulting the intelligence of me, the other posters and the folks in our viewing audience with your piss poor responses. As I have clearly shown in the last post is you do nothing but blow it out your ass.

I've address every single bull shit point you have made ...

I have posted the logical solution ... a public non partisan investigation with subpoena power and testimony under oath ... what part of that don't you understand?

Oh you mean the corporate news that lied about this event from the start? Nope.

Are we? Not according to your last post on this point.

Steel has to do a lot more than "weaken/bend" before it comes crashing down in 15 sec. in it's own foot print ... I've posted pictures in this thread of steel from the building that was cut by thermite.

In skyscapers design to handle such an event according to Richard Gage as well as other architects and engineers.

What you have a reading comprehension problem? Go back and read again what I wrote.

What am I suppose to do with a picture that give no detail of the circumstance of what happen? This is your evidence ... a picture with no info ... Get real. You continue to blow it out ... you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about do you.

I am being civil ... you think I'm a loon ... I think your stupid so what?

Not even on your best day could you hurt my feelings ... I can take the heat ... can you? Go do your homework so you won't look so stupid the next time.

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The line by line thing is just too time consuming, so we are starting over.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

^science, from scientists... not tin foil hat wearers who using pseudoscience that they do not understand themselves.

I have addressed each of your concerns the best I could given the time I have. I have corrected you on several counts. You do not acknowledge those corrections. You do not understand the terms you are using, and so I explain them... and still you ramble on.

Hit me with your best shot. Question by question we can go over this. You copy and paste miles of crap hoping to overwhelm your opponent. See... you aren't doing any research. You aren't doing any thinking really... you are just regurgitating the same shit I have been discrediting for the last 7 years.

I know all of your arguments before you wage them, because you do not wage arguments. You paste. I got it. All of it. I do not mean to shock you, but you have not pasted anything new.

So as I said. Lets go one at a time. I will answer ONE of yours, and you ONE of mine... then we move on to the next eh?

So, mine is still the first and only thing I have asked, which you continue to avoid.

Can you make up a feasible story explaining the preparation for demo that is logistically sound, without any single human being seeing.

Lastly, you can continue to call me stupid, it doesn't bother me, but it makes you look sort of desperate. I mean if you need stupid people to explain to you what a flight plan is, or what restricted airspace is... it doesn't bode well for you.

also... Reagan International Airport is less than a mile from the pentagon. It is not restricted airspace save the area NE of the pentagon, which was not violated



Not that it really matters... because if there WAS RA, they would have been over it for just seconds.

Airspace over the financial sector is NOT restricted airspace. Planes fly over all day. You just don't know what you are talking about.

No jet had ever intercepted an airliner in less than 45 minutes. Ever.

I said no 2 buildings, because there are comparable buildings to 7. So you think 7 moved too fast for gravity? or are all those videos of 1&2?
That's what I thought.

My wife was a US Air pilot, and on that day took Mohammed Attah and 3 others to Boston from Bangor ME as memory serves... just as she had done 3 times before. I was on the phone with her when the FBI took her for questioning after she and all pilots were grounded. You probably will do better to avoid the aviation aspect of this, because I will continue to make you look stupid. Stick to demo. Don't give me any shit about my friends not being dead. It is just annoying.

Just out of curiosity... roughly how many people were in on this conspiracy?

By my count, so far, we have everyone in the FAA. The Bush Whitehouse. The CIA. The FBI.

What I wan't to know is how many of the incidentals, like you would have people in the airline industry, friends, family... How many pilots and first officers were in on it? How many folks in the military? How many AF pilots, sworn to defend the constitution were in on it? How many people in air traffic control? First responders? Demolitions experts? Scientists? How many people, roughly, do you suppose it takes to pull of a stunt like this... which will kill untold thousands... and destroy the financial markets... so that we can go bomb mud huts?

Rough guess.


Also... how many living unicorns are there in your world?

7... the answer is 7.

but seriously, we don't know how many people were in on it. i would like the answer to that question as well. all that i know is things just didn't add up that day.

gulf of tonkin was made up to start vietnam that killed 58,000 people. why not do it again?

since 9/11 the government has gotten huge and the powerful people love it.

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I just wish there was more use of this.

This one is annoying. To date, in direct contradiction to your "science and facts" (which are not at all science, nor facts... but instead people positing what they believe possible based on their understanding) I have offered the following.


I showed you this


and can provide all the information you need. The notion that "a fire wont melt steel" is a fundamental flaw in understanding that is at the core of at least 3 of your links. You are incorrect, and you have no argument other than "huh uh" or "bullshit" or "you are so stupid".

You said:
I showed you a book on forensic pathology which states "Image 10.23 depicts partially blackened bone fragments from a house fire... it is not unusual for bones of the torso to be completely incinerated... "

It even had pictures for conspiracists who don't read good.

You said :
and I posted the flight manifests for all flights. Disproving much of the conjecture in that link. I knew a guy named Juan Garcia... he was from Mexico. Do you think Mexico could find a guy that looks like him with the same name? Cause I heard my friend was dead... and would like to find him alive.
I guess your site didn't bother to keep up with the story that IT sites as "fact". I can do that with all of them... but here is the first one. I don't want to get mired in that. It is boring. IF however you choose that specific one, I will happily disprove them all. The FBI has never posted that image as Waleed M al-Shehri. The media is responsible for that particular misrepresentation. Your link is promoting a direct lie. I am fond of demonstrating a lie to discredit an entire article... but again... I am happy to go one by one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditor..._theory_1.html

You say:
I posted:


Explaining that I remember seeing it unfold live. You explanation is that "the corporate media set it up". There were crowds of people around this thing. This was mid morning in the busiest city on the planet. This didn't happen on a closed street... wtf dude? So you think a news van came and dropped it off out the back of the van, destroyed the stuff it was supposed thit in its path, and busted up the concrete real quick before anyone saw. We can't play this game if you are unable to think rationally.

You say:
and I demonstrate...




Bam. Fact. Evidence. It is all I have done. All you provide is contrived misunderstandings. You post erronious information, such as the height of the aircraft, as if it were fact. You misuse the terms you are claiming to understand better than I, and you just rail past any evidence demonstrating you are wrong. Like I said... lets go one by one, because my controlled demolition of your "science and facts" is getting lost in a blur of paste.

Lastly, If this is what you believe civil discourse is, it explains a lot about your family and why you are so angry at authority figures. Your inability to effect positive change in your own life must have a target. After all, it can't be your fault. It is the fault of authority, and you will demonize them for your failures in life. The man keeping you down. You feel impotent and are easily frustrated when your web of excuses for apathetic non-involvment in your future is threatened. That isn't meant to hurt your feelings... it is just an observation and opinion. Now... address a point. Let us hash it, and move on.

And I am not a "yay government woohoo" guy. The gulf of Tonkin, Guatemala, Louse, Panama... you got a bunch of things to hit on, where you will get nothing from me but vitriol. We have done some dark stuff all over the world. This, however, is not one of them.

It is an unfair advantage I have over you. I know my wife wasn't in on it. She flew a small jet. She greeted everyone on the plane, every time. In fact, at that time, they often left the cockpit door open during flight. People seemed to like to see what was going on.

From this, I have a level of understanding that you can't. It is, unfortunately, not possible to posit my anecdotal experience as evidence... but so you understand where I am coming from. This is a conspiracy that requires thousands, if not tens of thousands to be complicit in a horror most are sworn to prevent, without a single dissenter. Not a single whistle blown amongst a sea of government and civilian workers at different levels. Again, setting demo in two of the largest buildings in the world without detection... impossible.

I completely agree with the last statement. Absolutely people are using the situation to fleece power, and I find it very disturbing. We just disagree about the cause of the situation.

Just wanted to say my comments are directed really at grow rebel. You and I are of different opinion, but you are polite and not clinging to information shown to be erroneous. You will never see me say "trust the government". Your questions all seem logical... as do your assumptions. I believe they are wrong... as do you believe my logical questions and assumptions may be. I don't expect grow and I to be able to continue soon. He is irrational and histrionic. He will not confront facts well.

What..HUH - There was an article I posted awhile ago that explained the psycology of conspiracy theories and those that chose to believe them despite the mountain of evidence contrary. Your statements are very logicl and easy to fllow. Anyone with an ounce of common sence and rationa thinking understands the truth. The people that are wrapped p in the conspiracy will always find some excuseor ossibility no matter how remote because they are emotionally invested into the belief that they are one of the special people that see it. Reference CrackerJacks posts, they are exactly the responses the article talks about. Same with growrebel. They are not going to give up their belief that they see something that few others see and that makes them special.


Great posts BTW. I don't always agree with you but you are spot on here.. +rep for the patience.


Edit: And fuck my broken ass keyboard, im not fixing the typos! lolol

Popular mechanics has already been debunked in this and others threads ... but for the record ...
Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies
Oh and folks ... I don't know if I posted this or not so I will ... this is a great MP3 ... Charles Goyette's Popular Mechanics 9/11 Interview causes cancellation of later interviews.
Listen to this MP3 file of Popular Mechanics on the Charles Goyette show in Phoenix. Charles has him backpedaling big time. Pass this MP3 file to any one who is leaning on Popular Mechanics to support their continued belief in the official story:
This is a great interview folks ... he really creams this PM guy ... they(PM) are very defensive about the article now ... check out the MP3 of the caller ... it's great!

So much for PM ... scientists? and prey tell us what Richard Gage is? And what part of his theory is "pseudoscience" you like to call names and give labels but that's it ... you never explain specifically what parts of Gage's presentation or any other evidence posted is "pseudoscience" and you know why? Because you can't. As usual you continue to blow shit out your ass.

You haven't address anything other than saying it's incorrect or "tin hat" yet each and every time you fail to show why the evidence presented is incorrect put up or stfu. So far you come up with unexplained pictures with NO LINKS to the source ... so as far as I'm concerned you are still full of shit.

You wouldn't know what I posted is crap or not you don't bother to check ... and that's your problem ... you can't read or comprehend the obvious. My goal is not to convince you of anything. My mission is to show every one just how stupid you are ... and I'm doing I find job when you deny the obvious. And you still haven't shown at any time how the material I've posted has been discredited. So here again you are blowing it out you ass like so many of your kind do.

Folks you see how twisted the bushwhacked minded are. They love to project their short coming on to others. When you provide your source they call it copying and pasting ... when they copy and paste their bullshit without providing the source ... it's proof. Bwaa ha ha ha ... they are so funny.

I'm still waiting for you to show the material I've posted is bullshit other than saying it is ... show us why ... and what source you have to back your statements ... if you continue with material that has already been debunked in this thread it will not be accepted. Go back and look at the posts regarding PM.

I've already told you ... if you are too stupid to comprehend my answer that's not my problem.

Well I can't call you ignorant because I have presenting you with facts, because you have the facts and disregard the obvious I can legally call you stupid.

However I must confess I'm mistaken about the use of term restricted air space what I mean to say is those area are secure air space may be the correct term. But I know it's has it's defenses.


Source?

There are videos of all three buildings ... yeah ... that's not what you thought! Ha ha ... and here again you are being stupid ... 15 sec for a building design to withstand what happen ... to believe anything else is just plain stupid. And I will call anyone stupid that believes these building fell in 15 sec after burning less than 2 hours in a fire not hot enough to do the damage that was done. Still waiting for you to address Gage's presentation ... but as usual you won't ... because you can't! ha ha!

Good for her ... why don't you have her put you in the bitch seat and take ya for a spin? Ha ha ... just joking ...

You might as well save this shit because there is no way on earth you can prove it. You have yet to make me look nearly as stupid as I have made you. Still waiting on your response to Gage. Until you do so you will remain stupid in this thread.

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