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email468 · #**221** 06-10-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by We TaRdED

How much more "proof" do you need? Idk. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I'm too retarded to know. I should practice what I preach, and stay away from the tap water.....

911, in my most honest and humble opinion, was an inside job..

Some of my favorite youtube vids

YouTube - Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11

YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911 Alex Jones actually predicted 911 in this vid.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" - Complete 2 Hour Presentation | 911Blogger.com An architect refutes the alleged 911 report.

YouTube - MIT Engineer Disputes 911 Theory of the WTC Collapse-Part 2 An MIT professor refutes the alleged 911 report.

YouTube - FOX-5 Reports 9/11/01: WTC-7 Collapsed Before Actual Event A news company reports that WTC7 fell before it actually did.

YouTube - If You're an American you should see THIS! for real A pissed off politician is empathetic of the conspiracy "theorists".

Sure, no one came out and said "I was behind the 911 attack(besides "Bin Landin" YouTube - 9/11 CONSPIRACY: THE BIN LADEN TAPE IS A FAKE!) , but what criminals come out and say "Hey, I robbed that bank. Now you can handcuff me and escort me to the jail cell that I will spend my life in?"?

Why do you think we have court system? Its because people usually lie about the crimes that they have committed and its up to the judge and (possibly) jury to discern/dictate what really happened- through clues and evidence. So, I ask you, how much more information do you really need in order put the pieces together and figure out whats really going on? Maybe I'm just a delusional idiot, but from the evidence that has been put forth on this thread, I would rule the Bush administration and his cronies guilty!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

my point being for everyone of these videos there is another youtube video contradicting it. so you are stuck choosing sides. Hell you said it in your first couple of sentences when you say: "in my honest and humble OPINION". You may be right and my opinion doesn't matter. But everyone isn't saying my opinion is blah blah - they are talking about facts and facts are far different than opinions.

for all i know bush could have lit the fuse himself. But maybe Bin Laden was the mastermind. or maybe, like most things, the truth is somewhere in between. But with everybody shouting and not listening we'll never find out the truth of the matter.

for every person willing to listen to reason like you We - there are many, many others sure that they have the right answer and will not listen to anything counter to what they already believe.

medicineman · #**222** 06-10-2008, 12:28 PM

E-mail, of course you are right about most of us relying on second/third/ fourth/etc, hand news. That is what we are fed by all the media. We can only apply our reason to those stories and have an opinion. I've stated all along that this an opinion forum nothing more. Facts are first hand experiences, like if you call me an asshole, then that is a fact, the fact that you called me an asshole, not that I am one, although I may be. But just the fact that you called me one doesn't make it true. Now apply this to any other subject on this forum and I think you get my drift. I may call you an asshole, but that may or may not be a fact.

email468 · #**223** 06-10-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by medicineman

E-mail, of course you are right about most of us relying on second/third/ fourth/etc, hand news. That is what we are fed by all the media. We can only apply our reason to those stories and have an opinion. I've stated all along that this an opinion forum nothing more. Facts are first hand experiences, like if you call me an asshole, then that is a fact, the fact that you called me an asshole, not that I am one, although I may be. But just the fact that you called me one doesn't make it true. Now apply this to any other subject on this forum and I think you get my drift. I may call you an asshole, but that may or may not be a fact.

hey med - we do agree on some stuff! we agree it is an opinion forum and i'm not trying to suppress anyone from expressing theirs. I just don't like to see it presented as "factual" with no possibility of error.

And I think we can both agree that we both can be assholes.... even when we aren't calling each other that!

GrowRebel · #**224** 06-10-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by email468

my point being for everyone of these videos there is another youtube video contradicting it. so you are stuck choosing sides. Hell you said it in your first couple of sentences when you say: "in my honest and humble OPINION". You may be right and my opinion doesn't matter. But everyone isn't saying my opinion is blah blah - they are talking about facts and facts are far different than opinions.

for all i know bush could have lit the fuse himself. But maybe Bin Laden was the mastermind. or maybe, like most things, the truth is somewhere in between. But with everybody shouting and not listening we'll never find out the truth of the matter.

for every person willing to listen to reason like you We - there are many, many others sure that they have the right answer and will not listen to anything counter to what they already believe.

... if there are video that you believe can counter what is posted ... put them up ... I'm tried of people saying it's just opinions when it's FACTS ... it's a FACT not an opinion that steel melts at 2750 degrees and jet plane fuel burns at 1200 degrees F ... it's a FACT that building design to withstand plane crashes and fire will NOT collapse free fall style only after burning for less than an hour ... That's FACT no opinion ... there's a difference ... FACT other country don't buy the lies ...

PETITION FOR CANADIAN 9/11 INVESTIGATION TO BE READ INTO PARLIAMENT TUESDAY JUNE 10th, 2008

email468 · #**225** 06-10-2008, 12:55 PM

Oh i see - you do not understand the difference between opinions and facts. Let me help you...
Fact: Steel melts around 2750 F
Fact: Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 F
Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.

The reason this is so is because you can prove when steel melts. you can prove at what temperature jet fuel burns. you can NOT prove a building will or will not collapse if a plane flies into it unless you are able to replicate the experiment.

Did you know steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100 F (within the range of the burning jet fuel)? And do you not think other things were on fire after the plane crashed into the building (like office furniture, rugs, paper) with temperatures easily reaching 1700-1800 F? Which means the steel frames probably had less than 10% of their original strength?

I will be very clear - i am not saying my explanation is any more right than yours - but it is an alternate explanation that should be entertained before being dismissed outright.

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Originally Posted by GrowRebel

... if there are video that you believe can counter what is posted ... put them up ... I'm tried of people saying it's just opinions when it's FACTS ... it's a FACT not an opinion that steel melts at 2750 degrees and jet plane fuel burns at 1200 degrees F ... it's a FACT that building design to withstand plane crashes and fire will NOT collapse free fall style only after burning for less than an hour ... That's FACT no opinion ... there's a difference ... FACT other country don't buy the lies ...

PETITION FOR CANADIAN 9/11 INVESTIGATION TO BE READ INTO PARLIAMENT TUESDAY JUNE 10th, 2008

We TaRdED · #**226** 06-10-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by email468

Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.

I think it should be a fact that WTC7 was not hit by a plane but had a relatively small fire burning, but collapsed just as if it had been demolished.

And the vids that I linked are facts!

Its a fact that Larry Silverstein said "pull it.... etc etc, in this vid. YouTube - Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11

Its a fact that Alex Jones actually predicted 911 in this vid. YouTube - Alex Jones Predicts 911

Its a fact that an architect and MIT professor are refuting the official 911 reports.

Its a fact a news company reports that WTC7 fell before it actually did. YouTube - FOX-5 Reports 9/11/01: WTC-7 Collapsed Before Actual Event

Its a fact that A pissed off politician is empathetic of the conspiracy "theorists".YouTube - If You're an American you should see THIS! for real

Its a fact that the USA corporation/gov't said they received this vid of OBL admitting 911..http://youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs

If you believe any of these things that I posted are opinions than you need to stop drinking fluorinated tap water because it is truly making you retarded. YouTube - Fluoride Poisoning

It is my opinion that 911 was an inside job. I am not trying to pass facts as fiction you boob!!!!!!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

email468 · #**227** 06-10-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by We TaRdED

It is my opinion that 911 was an inside job. I am not trying to pass facts as fiction you moron!!!!!!

We TaRdED -- are you too now sinking to insults?

powerplant · #**228** 06-10-2008, 01:19 PM

fuk it forget it, get over it. let go. build over it. watch more fox. eat more McDicks.

arabmobster · #**229** 06-10-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by powerplant

fuk it forget it, get over it. let go. build over it. watch more fox. eat more McDicks.

how can u forgot it, ur in 2 countries cus of it

GrowRebel · #**230** 06-10-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by email468

Oh i see - you do not understand the difference between opinions and facts. Let me help you...
Fact: Steel melts around 2750 F
Fact: Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 F
Opinion: Plane crash into building will not cause building to collapse.

The reason this is so is because you can prove when steel melts. you can prove at what temperature jet fuel burns. you can NOT prove a building will or will not collapse if a plane flies into it unless you are able to replicate the experiment.

Did you know steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100 F (within the range of the burning jet fuel)? And do you not think other things were on fire after the plane crashed into the building (like office furniture, rugs, paper) with temperatures easily reaching 1700-1800 F? Which means the steel frames probably had less than 10% of their original strength?

I will be very clear - i am not saying my explanation is any more right than yours - but it is an alternate explanation that should be entertained before being dismissed outright.

Your explanation holds no facts ... mine and other post do ... I've already proven a plane and fire can't take down a skyscaper ... yet I don't see you posting any proof it can ... and that 50% strength and 10% at a temp of 1800 is bullshit ... if that were true the skyscapers I posted in this thread would have came down too yet they didn't ... you seem to have a problem telling the difference between facts and opinions ...

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