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Old 08-17-2009, 05:00 PM
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You will enjoy this. Like this jackass you will mistake wind noise for explosions... but it is a vantage point I have not seen before and thought all should see.

Yeah that could be a compressed soundtrack and it makes the wind noises sound like explosions. Camcorders are notorious for that, BUT heres the thing, wind noises never abate totally, the wind does not go from dead calm to 10 mph gust and then back to dead calm in 2 second span. Wind tends to build and die off gradually, you hear this all the time when your local news channel has there crack investigative team outside on a windy day interviewing the little girl with a lemonade stand. Also isn't it funny how the sounds are all timed exactly as you see the windows start to burst, first you hear the sound, but its normal for you tube to have the audio not synch right. But just time the sounds and the time is the same as the video showing thwe windows breaking on the left, then the right. Explosions and NOT wind if you ask me.


Besides, the roof gave out first, and the fires were no where near the roof. Common sense.
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There is no audio after the wind picks up the first time.

If you crank it up there are people talking in the background... sounds like over a radio, or it could be heavy compression on a shitty cam mic enclosed in something. It cuts completely, and then when the wind cuts in again you hear them again. No idea if it was deliberate or not. It is the only copy I can find.


There is also a huge collapse of that GINORMOUS AC unit or whatever it is at that time. I expect it would make noise as it collapses through x number of floors while the structure collapsed internally. Not saying that is the answer... but the audio is cut, which is a shame.
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I have another video for you that you will like too. I already see what you will see... but what I see is a key structural point in the middle being caused to fail, and the top of a building is used crush the bottom half... and then destroying itself.




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Ok good video, but we are only left to assume the top portion and bottom portions were destroyed, we don't actually get to see the whole mess afterwards when there are no dust clouds. And who is to say that they didn't use explosives to destroy those portions, but timed them differently? Also, are those buildings steel framed and steel cored buildings? or are they just Steel reinforced? Concrete has terrible tension properties and will fail easily if required to hold unsupported weight up.
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Because you can hear the audio.

Don't know the composition yet, EVERYTHING on this thing is in French. I took a lot of Latin, but it doesn't make me a good reader of French... the premise is what I was going for anyway. If you want to start comparing the two beyond the type of collapse, I will argue that this building is not an acre in diameter, with 20 acres of floors above it. Massive forces. Massive weight. Chains and weakest links.


Also... the second shot... watch the corner closest to the camera all the way down... and when you cannot see it anymore hit pause, and look at the crane on the ground. You can see it ALMOST all the way to the ground before the dust cloud... and if you listen to the audio you can hear it continue to crush after the dust... and then stop.
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Well I would say without a doubt you have certainly proved that a building can at the very least be made to look like it crushes itself with nary an explosion made. Bravo!
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That video in particular is a real double edged sword... you challenged me to find a collapse like WTC 1/2... and I did... but it was controlled demo, and I don't know the parameters...


The other notable thing... is it is silent demo, which I asked you to provide... so... accuracy and all.
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Of course the logical argument to this as evidence for your side is the impossible task of flying the planes into the exact right place where demo is already planted.
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Of course the logical argument to this as evidence for your side is the impossible task of flying the planes into the exact right place where demo is already planted.

Its also quite easy with a Digital Relay board to control and change your demo sequence on the fly. Im not saying thats what happened, I have no evidence at all, just saying it could have been done.
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