Class envy and warfare ... - Page 2

Dankdude · #11 01-18-2007, 11:34 AM

I bet you are relying on Unemployment figures huh?
The figures for unemployment are only for New Filings, it in no way reflects those who are still recieving benefits or those who's benefits have ran out.
Get out of the big cities, and get out to the small towns... That is real America, what you are saying is untrue in real America. Companies closing and downsizing are putting more and more people out of work. Many of those haven't had the job long enough to draw unemployment.

7xstall · #12 01-18-2007, 11:49 AM

yeah, those figures would be the ones. i thought states tracked employment on a employed or not employed basis..and reported totals. so you're saying there are peeps unemployed who are no longer accounted for in those figs? where are the actual numbers then?

i'm in a pretty small little town...a big university kind of insulates it from a "real economy" if you know what i mean.. sometimes they go out of their way to create and maintain jobs.

big picture, did the cuts alleviate some pressure on the economy at a critical moment or not?

Dankdude · #13 01-18-2007, 11:57 AM

Personally I do not think so, If taxes are too high the economy stalls... (think USSR) If Taxes are set too low, the same happens (think UK) Taxing is a delicate balancing act.

Personally I don't know where they keep the real figures for unemployment, but I know and have known for a long time that Unemployment figures that the public sees, and the ones that people like Limbaugh, ect. are just for new filings and in no way reflect what's really going on.

7xstall · #14 01-18-2007, 12:23 PM

we agree on the balancing act.. i think it is also related to what the gvnmnt does with the $. places that tax hard and give stuff back can get away with it, tax nothing like the U.S. used to do and give nothing but pure opportunity and that works too...

i'm going to look into the numbers thing. if what you say is true it's like i sell stuff to myself and become a multi-million $ company and that's legit...

medicineman · #15 01-18-2007, 04:29 PM

Personally I don't know where they keep the real figures for unemployment, but I know and have known for a long time that Unemployment figures that the public sees, and the ones that people like Limbaugh, ect. are just for new filings and in no way reflect what's really going on.
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Man, you're so right about those figures Dank, The Government really doesn't want those figures to get out, In my personal observation (#s are hard to come by) I'd have to say if the real unemployment figures were told, they'd have to be over 12%, probably closer to 15%. All those people that lost their jobs over 6-9 months ago or longer, are non-sequitar, they dont exist in the figures, and a lot of them could not find work! I know a few! And another fact not being told is that many of those that lost their jobs and found new ones, had to take a major cut in pay, and used up their 401Ks to live on, and now have jobs with no health coverage or other benefits. Meanwhile, the CEOs of the companies laying off workers are getting ever larger saleries and bonuses. Capitalism, Aint it great!

ViRedd · #16 01-19-2007, 01:32 PM

"Capitalism, Aint it great!"

Yes it is. And your alternative would be what?

Vi

medicineman · #17 01-19-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

"Capitalism, Aint it great!"

Yes it is. And your alternative would be what?

Vi

Obviously you either didn't read the whole post or you are an arrogant plutocratic monster, The working poor are getting poorer by the minute and the rich are gettin richer. I guess this is where you're at. My alternative is described in another post, keep reading

ViRedd · #18 01-19-2007, 03:23 PM

Med ...

To date, I haven't seen you espouse any alternatives. If you have, please hook me up with a link to the post. Thanks ...

Vi

medicineman · #19 01-19-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Med ...

To date, I haven't seen you espouse any alternatives. If you have, please hook me up with a link to the post. Thanks ...

Vi

Well, I have espoused a plan, I guess you didn't either 1.read it, or 2.understand it. I realize that you feel superior to me and would be curious to know why. My plan is by far from perfect, and probably not even feasible, But like Bush, you have no plan other than "stay the course", oh I forgot you need laws that would make you wealthier, like abolish the income tax etc., let individuals keep all their money and have no social conscience, all you need are some whips and chains, for those bad days when the peasants demand a meal!

Dankdude · #20 01-19-2007, 04:49 PM

Class envy? Please.

Come and live in my world for just a week Vi.
Go to the Local Coffee shop in the morning and watch all the farmers and cattle ranchers. These guys get $180,000 a year in government subsidies and yet they set there bitching about some poor single mother with 3 kids who is living on Food Stamps and a mere pittance in AFDC (in Texas AFDC pays a family of 4 about $250.00) and she must take a minimum wage job in order to make ends meet.

Get off your High Horse About Class envy and Welfare. You Bucket hold no water and is hypocritical to say the least.