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    Editor's note: Dale J. Stephens is a 19-year-old entrepreneur leading UnCollege, a social movement supporting self-directed higher education and building RadMatter, a platform to demonstrate talent. He is among the first recipients of the Thiel Fellowship, an initiative by venture capitalist and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel that gives 20 entrepreneurs under 20 years old $100,000 to fund their projects.
    (CNN) -- I have been awarded a golden ticket to the heart of Silicon Valley: the Thiel Fellowship. The catch? For two years, I cannot be enrolled as a full-time student at an academic institution. For me, that's not an issue; I believe higher education is broken.
    I left college two months ago because it rewards conformity rather than independence, competition rather than collaboration, regurgitation rather than learning and theory rather than application. Our creativity, innovation and curiosity are schooled out of us.
    Failure is punished instead of seen as a learning opportunity. We think of college as a stepping-stone to success rather than a means to gain knowledge. College fails to empower us with the skills necessary to become productive members of today's global entrepreneurial economy.
    College is expensive. The College Board Policy Center found that the cost of public university tuition is about 3.6 times higher today than it was 30 years ago, adjusted for inflation. In the book "Academically Adrift," sociology professors Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa say that 36% of college graduates showed no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning or writing after four years of college. Student loan debt in the United States, unforgivable in the case of bankruptcy, outpaced credit card debt in 2010 and will top $1 trillion in 2011.
    Is college worth it?
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    Fortunately there are productive alternatives to college. Becoming the next Mark Zuckerberg or mastering the phrase "Would you like fries with that?" are not the only options.
    The success of people who never completed or attended college makes us question whether what we need to learn is taught in school. Learning by doing -- in life, not classrooms -- is the best way to turn constant iteration into true innovation. We can be productive members of society without submitting to academic or corporate institutions. We are the disruptive generation creating the "free agent economy" built by entrepreneurs, creatives, consultants and small businesses envisioned by Daniel Pink in his book, "A Whole New Mind: Why Right Brainers Will Rule the Future."
    Opinion: Why liberal arts matter
    We must encourage young people to consider paths outside college. That's why I'm leading UnCollege: a social movement empowering individuals to take their education beyond the classroom. Imagine if millions of my peers copying their professors' words verbatim started problem-solving in the real world. Imagine if we started our own companies, our own projects and our own organizations. Imagine if we went back to learning as practiced in French salons, gathering to discuss, challenge and support each other in improving the human condition.
    A major function of college is to signal to potential employers that one is qualified to work. The Internet is replacing this signaling function. Employers are recruiting on LinkedIn, Facebook, StackOverflow and Behance. People are hiring on Twitter, selling their skills on Google, and creating personal portfolios to showcase their talent. Because we can document our accomplishments, and have them socially validated with tools such as LinkedIn Recommendations, we can turn experiences into opportunity. As more and more people graduate from college, employers are unable to discriminate among job seekers based on a college degree and can instead hire employees based on their talents.
    Of course, some people want a formal education. I do not think everyone should leave college, but I challenge my peers to consider the opportunity cost of going to class. If you want to be a doctor, going to medical school is a wise choice. I do not recommend keeping cadavers in your garage. On the other hand, what else could you do during your next 50-minute class? How many e-mails could you answer? How many lines of code could you write?
    Some might argue that college dropouts will sit in their parents' basements playing Halo 2, doing Jell-O shots and smoking pot. These are valid but irrelevant concerns, for the people who indulge in drugs and alcohol do so before, during and after college. It's not a question of authorities; it's a question of priorities. We who take our education outside and beyond the classroom understand how actions build a better world. We will change the world regardless of the letters after our names.
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    i didnt read anything but the title. and theres truth to it. my wife has a 2 year degree and shes getting nationally certified in pharmacy and the 2 yr is useless we are hoping the pharmacy cert will open some doors

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    college is not a waste of time... How can you say such a thing? Getting an education is a high priority to a great many people and for people who do not have such a chance. I do not know where you are from, but in the US they got a program called financial aid that helps students pay for college... Do not get me wrong, there are ton of people who should not be in college, but back in the middle school for the piss poor performances they call class work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by olylifter420 View Post
    college is not a waste of time... How can you say such a thing? Getting an education is a high priority to a great many people and for people who do not have such a chance. I do not know where you are from, but in the US they got a program called financial aid that helps students pay for college... Do not get me wrong, there are ton of people who should not be in college, but back in the middle school for the piss poor performances they call class work...
    The article was not written by the OP, your question is invalid. Send an E-Mail to the author. In my family, not a single person with a degree is actually working in the field of their study. Not me, not my mother, not my sister. The people who are making the most money in our family only have HS diplomas, the one making the least amount of money makes over $400K per year. But thats just anecdotal evidence, most people believe if they get themselves into a huge debt going to college they will be hired right away making lots of money, unfortunately that is not true at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoDrama View Post
    The article was not written by the OP, your question is invalid. Send an E-Mail to the author. In my family, not a single person with a degree is actually working in the field of their study. Not me, not my mother, not my sister. The people who are making the most money in our family only have HS diplomas, the one making the least amount of money makes over $400K per year. But thats just anecdotal evidence, most people believe if they get themselves into a huge debt going to college they will be hired right away making lots of money, unfortunately that is not true at all.
    you want to take an anecdotal survey of the friends i hung out with as a youngster and find out who is getting paid more? probably not, as you would realize all the ones that went to college and got engineering and business degrees are doing way better than the ones who rolled their dice and didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by londonfog View Post
    ^^^^^ have to agree
    i mean, i get that the right has to be against education and intelligence and facts and reason and logic (see their stance on climate change, apparently the vast majority of scientists are just pulling a fast one on us and this decades in the making conspiracy has just been unraveled by dolts watching fox news).

    but to argue that college education does not have its benefits when you get out of it what you should (as opposed to doing what i did, getting high and ditching liberal arts classes) is ridiculous.

    like a lot of things in life, you get out of it what you put in. if you work hard and take advantage of your resources, you will likely walk out of college and walk into a job that pays you more than you would get after twice as long or longer in the workforce without a degree.

    plus, you get to get hammered and laid in the meantime.
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    the OP should ask johnnyorganic if he is wasting his time by going back to school.

    i believe he would be met by a hardy laugh and a well-phrased "go fuck yourself".

    by the way, as soon as my wife is done with her schooling, she will be certified to perform a profession that pays about $150 an hour. if i could figure out how to grow an ounce per hour, i would be right there with her.

    all i need are some magical beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    the OP should ask johnnyorganic if he is wasting his time by going back to school.

    i believe he would be met by a hardy laugh and a well-phrased "go fuck yourself".

    by the way, as soon as my wife is done with her schooling, she will be certified to perform a profession that pays about $150 an hour. if i could figure out how to grow an ounce per hour, i would be right there with her.

    all i need are some magical beans.
    150 x 8= 1200 day x 5= 600 week x 52 = 312,000 a year
    No way a woman would hang around a twat like you if she made 15 an hour much less 150. But then again, she wont make anywhere close to 150 an hour so quit talking out your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleBuck View Post
    you want to take an anecdotal survey of the friends i hung out with as a youngster and find out who is getting paid more? probably not, as you would realize all the ones that went to college and got engineering and business degrees are doing way better than the ones who rolled their dice and didn't.
    Curious... how old are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parker View Post
    150 x 8= 1200 day x 5= 600 week x 52 = 312,000 a year
    No way a woman would hang around a twat like you if she made 15 an hour much less 150. But then again, she wont make anywhere close to 150 an hour so quit talking out your ass.
    i don't even understand why she puts up with me.

    her family is scared to death that i am jeopardizing their family fortune by making my living the way i do. i will probably send a tax return this year on my quasi legal earnings to simply abate their fears.

    edit - her profession does not take 8 appointments a day nor work 5 days a week. plus, she has other options, like organizational consultation and whatnot.

    Quote Originally Posted by sync0s View Post
    Curious... how old are you?
    um, 27? 28? 26? not really sure. somewhere in that range.
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