Im serious. i think we should start adopting some communistic policies in this country. these are some of the things i heard teachers say in school when they talked about communism. (they were always preached out like a anti-drug lecture or a prejudice rant.)

1: communism sucks because the government chooses your occupation. you can't "be what ever you want to be when you grow up" so you would hate your life. (well i dont know too many people who are happy even though they supposedly had a choice of what job they got.)

2: communism sucks because without the competition of the free market, industrial and commercial innovation would be uncommon. if you work harder youll get paid the same amount of money, so whats the point? (a horribly greedy ideal to teach kids in my opinion. i dont believe this would be true. the simple gratification of a hard days work would drive most people to do their best. ((plus, blind patriotism has made people in this country buy millions of miniature car window flags and thousands of roles of Osama toilet paper. im sure people wouldnt mind busting some ass simply to make Uncle Sam proud.)))

right now, we're overpopulated, we are destroying the environment, we're making our foreign relations even worse, and nobody outside the top 15% of the nation is actually gaining from it. (didnt there used to be a middle-class?) kids are starving, the mentally ill and physically addicted roam the streets, and young men and women are supporting a war for college tuition.

if anybody tries to tell me that this is a free country ill probly laugh in their face.
im kinda losin my train of thought here, it feels good to rant from time to time though. so yeah, what do you guys think about Communism?

And none of these problems are happening in communist countries? Wake up.

The problem with the perception of communism is the perception it'self. The capitalists in this society(the ones that really run things, like the Government, the banks, the corporations etc.) make it sound like you would be a prisoner on a work farm. The cold hard truth is no-one really knows what a true Communist society would be like as it has never been done, mostly due to the Human greed factor. People would have to live and work for the betterment of the society as a whole instead of the football mentality now present in this society. This society promotes competition. Competition basically puts people in the role of adversarys, pitting individual against individual, basically the law of the jungle, where only the strong attain success. So if you are a strong "A" type of personality, your chances for success are much greater. This also promotes a class separation and a better than thou mentality. the weak or underfunded, are left to their demise! I believe the perfect society would be a pure communistic social environment, but will never be achieved because of the aforementioned "Human greed factor"!

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Wow, im really surprised Med supports communism (at least theoretically) but,

"This society promotes competition. Competition basically puts people in the role of adversarys, pitting individual against individual, basically the law of the jungle, where only the strong attain success."

only the strong attain success? its safe to say that a majority of the "successful" people in this country have either stole or inherited their money. in the jungle, animals cant leave their horded wealth for their offspring to benefit from.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch where this thread goes. It should be quite entertaining, to say the least.

For those of you who didn't pay attention in school, or who were victims of revisionist history taking place in our government monopolized school systems today, you'll be suprised to learn that pure communism was tried, and did exist in this country back in the colonial times.

As far as I'm concerned, this forum is about learning. So, I'm happy to provide this link:

http://www.ccsindia.org/ccsindia/people_rw_when_us_tried_communism.asp

Enjoy ...

Vi

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I think I will watch it as well, I think that the entertainment Value alone is worth staying out of the fray...

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+rep to MedMan for an on target analysis of the situation.

While Vi makes an interesting point about possible success of colonials once they were freed from their debts it completely fails to address the fact that slaying of another civilization was necessary for this alleged socialist success to occur.

This is a really easy conversation if you're American and don't dig the set up. There's lots of socialist nations. Some are easy to get into(Canada). Some are hard(generally European). All of them have REALLY HIGH TAX RATES FOR EVERYONE. By high I mean 50%+ for everyone. So you get lots of cool services and everyone gets them but they all pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that and if you dig it, head to the places that embrace it.

But America has always been a country of ladder climbers. That doesn't exactly embrace those ideals. Try to change it if you like. I'll stick to easy stuff like making it legal to catch a high. Getting people to care about one another and then pay for it...that's a really big job and I'm not up for it.

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Getting people to care about one another and then pay for it...that's a really big job and I'm not up for it.
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And obviously, no-one else in this country is either. Dog eat Dog is the prevailing conscientious awareness, and the poor be damned. There's only one solution and I'm not going to lay it out for you. The solution involves raising the conscienceness of the whole country, and that my friends is beyond mortals. so all you big dogs, eat shit as far as I'm concerened, just don't come around my domain and try and eat me, for I'll bite back!

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Hey, Med ...

Have you given that extra blanket to that homeless alcoholic who sleeps behind the card club yet? If not ... why not?

Oh, and one more thing, Med ... How much did the private sector contribute to the victims of Katrina ... any idea?

Vi

PS: And the colonists in Jamestown where communism was tried, for the most part, starved to death. They went to a free market just in the nick of time and the few remaining prospered.

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PS: And the colonists in Jamestown where communism was tried, for the most part, starved to death. They went to a free market just in the nick of time and the few remaining prospered.
Bullshit!How do you know this, the word communism hadn't been invented yet, Check your glasses!

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