The colony immediately began to prosper. It prospered because each individual directly benefited by his labour and knew that he would also bear the full consequences of any reduction in output. Private ownership and capitalism worked Here I see what privatization has done, Kudos. The Capitilization aspect is not present though as capitalism is using capital to enslave others @ a minimum wage to maximum your output and hence your profit. The whole concept of capitalization is to make a slave class to work for a ruling class, hence the system we have in place here today. The plutocrats not only control the work force but also the government. A classic case of the few ruling the many. The only way you move up the ladder is by: A; being related to a ruling member, B; sucking ruling members asses(this will only move you so far, not to the top), C; Have the personality and drive("A" personality) to excell in every endeavor and have a rich benefactor. Outside of winning the Lottery, your chances of attaining wealth under any other circumstances are from very slim to none!

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Things that people do. Especially things that they do without any incentive. Things like this Stanford prison experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Unfortunately, regardless of the type of society, there are always those who "rule" and as the expression goes........ "absolute power corrupts absolutely"

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Im aware of the stanford prison experiment, and it exposes the social patterns of the subjects on a cultural level, not biological. the problem w/ communism isn't the system, its the peoples willingness to stick to the plan. if our culture didnt revolve around material possessions, people would be more apt to supporting a communist system. i dont think its unreasonable to believe its possible to change ourselves to do this.

weve heard "money doesnt buy happiness", and weve seen countless celebrities bitch and moan about how hard their lives are, dispite being filthy rich. yet most of us choose to be in denial, too stubborn to "give up" on this endless rat race.

just because they're a celebrity doesn't mean that they're rich. for that matter the thing that's driving them to be a celebrity is the thing that's forcing them to never be happy. they don't appreciate themselves. instead their self-worth is vested in other's opinions.

anyhow, proof that communism can't succeed due to human nature regardless of culture is clearly evident from history. I won't cite all the nations as they've already been mentioned. A critical study of any of the communist histories will reveal that a stratification of classes immediately emerged. Most of them created one huge lower class and then promised them lots of free services. But that rarely worked. Heating in Russia was frequently turned off for days or weeks in the winter. Millions died in hospitals due to poor sanitary conditions. Millions drank themselves to death due to a live where everything was pre-determined. Where no matter their desires or talent they would be forced into one job that they most appropriately fit into. Do you realize that washing machines in Russia were smuggled across the German border for decades because they were considered anti-Communist? I'm not religious, but I would never want to live where people were forced to smuggle in their bibles or korans.

And finally....drugs. drugs were 100% dead ass forbidden in every communist nation.

Look, I realize it sounds all neat and shit. Everyone will just sit back, smoke dope, love each other, not struggle so hard in this life. But it's been tried and it sucked. It sucked really really bad. Imagine being sick with no access to medicine. Yes, I realize that health care is expensive in the US. But imagine a system where there just flat out wasn't even a single MRI machine in your city. But you fell and have glass shards shoved into your brain?

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Yes, I realize that health care is expensive in the US. But imagine a system where there just flat out wasn't even a single MRI machine in your city. But you fell and have glass shards shoved into your brain? Geeze, I have enough to worry about without worrying about falling and getting glass shards in my brain

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ok, I presented about 5 arguments. you're arguing about one of them.

how about you

a) answer the other arguments

or

b) argue about how human beings never get hurt and about how they're treated equally or better in a communist system

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Don't you all see how great communism works. Think about it wouldn't it be great if our internet was filtered to go to propaganda sites whenever you want to look at something that the people just don't agree with. It would also end the obesity problems and kill of excess population at the same time. I personally hate to think for myself and would much rather have my choices made for me.



long live the motherland

Thats not proof. if we were to have a government modeled after russias, itd be easy to assume that it wouldnt succeed. obvioussly that would be a bad idea.

i asked before, but i may have worded it wrong, what do you think human nature is? are you actually trying to say that greediness is somehow encrypted into our dna? most people have an inherit desire to improve themselves, but buying shit shouldnt be the standard way of doing so.

actually russia,cuba,china and the rest were all socialist,and as far as setellers it wasnt true comunism- the survivors were obviously holding out and stealing from common pot (if I was starving I would-human nature) and now the real reason why capitalism work so well...It is not because the majority of us are materialists,but no matter how pure we try to make our selves they still get us through our kids they destroyed the education sistem so you HAVE to pay for private,they destroyed publick healthcare so you have to pay for private,dentist-private,in sociallist russia the religion was never banned ,it was fround upon and severed from the state,unlike in US where christian conservatives pass more untidrug laws and start more wars than any other political body.
I belive that comunism can hapen, all we need is an allien envasion once 70% of our species are dead, the remaining 30 % will have to overcome greed, racism,religious biggotry,nationalism, overcome or DIE!!!