Income tax and freedom!

medicineman · #1 01-03-2007, 12:24 PM

Vi, you might find this interesting, after watching this I can see why you are so against the Income tax. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...dom+to+fascism I agree with the arguements presented here, I just feel there needs to be a citizen funded pool of money to take care of the less fortunate. I'm not in favor of bankers running the country and of the citizens having to pay the bankers interest on the borrowing of the federal government. That is highly oportunistic on the few Bankers whom profit from this arangement. I don't know how to stop or revamp this system but agree that it is out of control. If this makes you feel vindicated, then so be it. I guess I didn't fully understand the scope of the Income tax. Like I said, something needs to replace it for the welfare of the society, but the Bankers need to be shut out of the equation! This is scary stuff!

ViRedd · #2 01-03-2007, 02:53 PM

Med ...

The process of becoming a liberty devotee can be swift, like the Hand of God, or it can be slow, like learning to ride a bicycle. It doesn't matter how one gets there, as long as the light bulb goes on. As I've said from the very beginning, there is no place in a free society for a tax on income. A tax on income is a tax on labor ... and when a government taxes a person's labor, the government owns that portion of labor that is taxed. I'm happy you see the situation more clearly now. Oh, and its not a matter of vindication at all ... its a matter of having another devotee in the fold ... and THAT'S exciting.

Vi

medicineman · #3 01-03-2007, 03:22 PM

Oh, and its not a matter of vindication at all ... its a matter of having another devotee in the fold ... and THAT'S exciting.

I'm not sure we're on the same page about a few things, but being free, especially from thieving bankers, that got my attention. I think it was the first time I really understood the American economy. I had my views on it, but that video put some light on it, pretty scary, our government, I'm more afraid now than under any Admin. ever. And the replacements are not any better. I've always been an advocate for individual freedoms, as long as those freedoms do not impose on others. Sometimes they do, and when that happens it creates a dillema! It seems like in the past our government was just kind of guessing about us,but now they're getting serious, No chip for me!

ViRedd · #4 01-03-2007, 04:24 PM

"It seems like in the past our government was just kind of guessing about us,but now they're getting serious..."

There was no "guessing" about it at all on the part of the totalitarians, Med. It started with them back in the days of President Jackson. If you remember from history, he abolished the first central bank. Wilson's administration established the Federal Reserve. Its not a coinsedence that the 16th Amendment (the income tax) and the Federal Reserve were created in the same year ... `1913. FDR completed the job when he outlawed the ownership of gold by U.S. Citizens and created the withholding tax. That took the control of money out of the private hands of the citizens and placed it into the hands of the bankers. Also, as a result, the power brokers in government gained the ability to create the Welfare State, which gave them even greater power over us. The so called War on Drugs has allowed even more of our economic freedom to be eroded with provisions like money laundering laws. What's next? I'd say a cashless society with everything being either an electronic debit or credit. Mark of the Beast time, Med ... no credits? No pin number? Too bad ... you don't eat.

Vi

Wavels · #5 01-03-2007, 06:31 PM

med, IMO, The vast majority of US taxpayers know very little about The Federal Reserve and its machinations. The income tax..... If you look at what is happening with additional encroachment of freedoms....

The entrenched two party system is like a rotten wisdom tooth, screaming for extraction........or, are we just gonna get more sick and dysfunctional?

medicineman · #6 01-03-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wavels

med, IMO, The vast majority of US taxpayers know very little about The Federal Reserve and its machinations. The income tax..... If you look at what is happening with additional encroachment of freedoms....

The entrenched two party system is like a rotten wisdom tooth, screaming for extraction........or, are we just gonna get more sick and dysfunctional?

I've been registered Independent most of my life, I only vote the lessor of the two evils as I see them, I've voted both ways and it made not much difference. The Vote is like a joke played on the American people. There are two people running for the same office that are almost of the same mindset. Sometimes you might as well toss a coin. I know not how to change the system. I will participate in local rallys when possible!

ViRedd · #7 01-04-2007, 09:13 AM

Local rallies, Med? How many times have you wiggled out of jury duty?

Vi

medicineman · #8 01-04-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Local rallies, Med? How many times have you wiggled out of jury duty?

Vi

Are you trying to have a conversation or a chastisement, seems the latter to me? (notice the lack of profanity [gnashing of teeth])

ViRedd · #9 01-05-2007, 01:52 PM

All I'm doing is pointing out that there are better ways of preserving liberty than attending rallies. Jury duty is one of the greatest ways. That's why its a constitutional right. We should have a conversation on the importance of jury duty and how we can overthrow unconstitutional law by being a smart juror sometime.

Vi

medicineman · #10 01-05-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

All I'm doing is pointing out that there are better ways of preserving liberty than attending rallies. Jury duty is one of the greatest ways. That's why its a constitutional right. We should have a conversation on the importance of jury duty and how we can overthrow unconstitutional law by being a smart juror sometime.

Vi

I've been called 3 times in my life, 2 times, the employer would not pay the difference on the 25.00 a day pay for duty and my normal 200.00 a day so I got a hardship waiver, The time I went, I sat there for 8 hours and then was told they didn't need me. I would love to get on a constitutional case, or a pot case, in fact for the interest, just about any case that didn't last more than a couple of months. I'd sure hate to get hung out on a case like OJs and be sequestered for a year, what a life changing event that would be! Usually you get some dumb criminal case like 7-11 robbers and such, hey Guilty sounds about right!