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Old 11-25-2007, 10:42 AM
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Well, why don't all you anti-tax experts tell me why the national debt is careening past 9 trillion Bucks. Why the middle class is dissapearing. why the country is going into a depression. why the dollar is slipping into oblivion, why in this "Boom economy" millions are losing their homes. I think there is a time for low taxes, but not when you have a president that spends like the proverbial "Drunken sailor".
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:47 AM
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Well, why don't all you anti-tax experts tell me why the national debt is careening past 9 trillion Bucks. Why the middle class is dissapearing. why the country is going into a depression. why the dollar is slipping into oblivion, why in this "Boom economy" millions are losing their homes. I think there is a time for low taxes, but not when you have a president that spends like the proverbial "Drunken sailor".
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:48 AM
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Maybe becuase we are trying to fight two wars that are unneccesary. We spend Billions on Foriegn Aid.

Why the middle class is dissapearing. why the country is going into a depression. why the dollar is slipping into oblivion, why in this "Boom economy" millions are losing their homes. I think there is a time for low taxes, but not when you have a president that spends like the proverbial "Drunken sailor".
Its time to stop the spending. Duh VV
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:23 PM
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Exactly right. We do not have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

Med ... Ask yourself why a twenty dollar gold piece costs 800 one-dollar federal reserve notes.

Ask yourself "what is a dollar?" That's right ... WHAT IS A DOLLAR? A "dollar" is nothing more than a term of measurement. If I walked up to you and asked you for a "gallon." you'd say: "A gallon of what?"... right? So, if I asked you for a "dollar" you should also ask in return, "a dollar of what?" If you held up a one-dollar federal reserve note and said ... "a dollar of one of these." I should retort, "Well, OK but what IS one of those?" And you would have to say: "Ummm, one of these is just a little paper coupon." And, I should say: "Med, why in the world would I want one of those when the government keeps printing more, thereby diluting the worth of all the rest of those paper coupons out there. Remember, it used to cost only a twenty dollar gold certificate to buy a twenty-dollar gold piece. I mean, if I took your one-dollar paper coupon I'd have to spend it immediately in order to not lose money on it." You, at that point would turn around in disgust and walk away muttering something about "Crazy Goldbugs." ~lol~

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Exactly right. We do not have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

Med ... Ask yourself why a twenty dollar gold piece costs 800 one-dollar federal reserve notes.

Ask yourself "what is a dollar?" That's right ... WHAT IS A DOLLAR? A "dollar" is nothing more than a term of measurement. If I walked up to you and asked you for a "gallon." you'd say: "A gallon of what?"... right? So, if I asked you for a "dollar" you should also ask in return, "a dollar of what?" If you held up a one-dollar federal reserve note and said ... "a dollar of one of these." I should retort, "Well, OK but what IS one of those?" And you would have to say: "Ummm, one of these is just a little paper coupon." And, I should say: "Med, why in the world would I want one of those when the government keeps printing more, thereby diluting the worth of all the rest of those paper coupons out there. Remember, it used to cost only a twenty dollar gold certificate to buy a twenty-dollar gold piece. I mean, if I took your one-dollar paper coupon I'd have to spend it immediately in order to not lose money on it." You, at that point would turn around in disgust and walk away muttering something about "Crazy Goldbugs." ~lol~

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Old 11-25-2007, 09:52 PM
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:55 PM
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that author changed my life =]


thank god she got away from that damned commy ussr...

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We do not have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

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Dare I take it step further and say we have BOTH.

The problem isn't spending too much on programs...the school system and the IRS for instance are both undernourished. What we need is program cutting. We can start with taking a real look at Iraq, since that is siphoning alot of the money. Next is the wars on drugs, poverty, ect... in no particualr order because they should all be dealt with swiftly in the same day.

Oh and the revenue problem is because it is getting harder and harder to move from middle class to rich as time goes on. Leave the money with the people. They are smart enough to earn it, therefore they are smart enough to choose how it is spent.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:15 AM
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Dare I take it step further and say we have BOTH.

The problem isn't spending too much on programs...the school system and the IRS for instance are both undernourished. What we need is program cutting. We can start with taking a real look at Iraq, since that is siphoning alot of the money. Next is the wars on drugs, poverty, ect... in no particualr order because they should all be dealt with swiftly in the same day.

Oh and the revenue problem is because it is getting harder and harder to move from middle class to rich as time goes on. Leave the money with the people. They are smart enough to earn it, therefore they are smart enough to choose how it is spent.
So, would you say a drug dealer is smart, because they can make a lot of money? Could it be wrong because it is illegal, or because they take advantage of peoples weaknesses? Money is only a vehicle to show the real essence of a person. Drug dealers that operate on other peoples misery can be as rich as a corporate mogul that does likewise. It is what a person does with his money that truly defines him. Once you get past the basic tenets of survival and comfort, the excess money you have and the way you use it defines you. Some buy drugs and alcohol. some buy stocks, some invest in real estate, some start companies, some indulge themselves in untold luxuries. What you do with your money is what you are made of, make it count.
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