Originally Posted by nongreenthumb

The holiday does mark that occasion, you can put whatever spin on it you want to make yourselves feel better, but thanksgiving day is directly related to those historic events and that is what your celebrating because your doing it on that day, how you choose to celebrate is your own business, if you do it with family or whatever, but basically your giving thanks to the indians for the dinner and the land. If you wanted to make it more to what your talking about, it would maybe change day or change name, but the holiday your celebrating is related to the indians, its easy to say it doesn't mean that anymore we've moved past it, but it does mean that, otherwise your just using it as an excuse to eat more.

Originally Posted by nongreenthumb

The world should give thanks to America is a pretty bold statement. I've got nothing to be thankful to America for. They haven't done anything for me and the whole thanksgiving tradition is just a joke.

I don't even think Americans the people should be thankful to their country as a whole. Everything is just bullshit and put in front of you to keep you quiet and grinding the gears you've been bred to carry out.

Todays world is about being part of society, to be a part of it you have to behave in a certain way otherwise society will look down on you. Have a good house and 2 cars on the drive, have the 2 kids and the dog with the picket fence, work your ass off 90 hours a week to earn that crust to seperate you from the rest of the crowd when all in all its just a distraction to take away from the fact that the human race has become nothing more than cogs and batteries in the great machine called society.

You go out and you do whichever job it is, be it computer programming, running a business or doing the lowest jobs on minimum wage. Ultimately it comes down to the fact that you sell the largest proportion of your life away for a set amount per hour.

We as humans have lost track of whats really important in the world because of all these distractions we are sold by marketing companies and general advertising, these things that make our lives so much easier, but do they?

To get the smart car that makes it easier to drive and the fancy new oven and vacuum cleaner that makes your life easier, you have to pay more money to have them which in turn means more work and more hours of your life sold.

What is important in life? to get to the top so that when you die you have a load of cash you can't spend, to have all the possessions in the world so that you have the biggest trophy cabinet.

Personally, i think the simple life is far more important, family friends, spending the time how you want to spend it, who gives a fuck if you drive an older car and don't keep up with the appearances of others. I'd take spending the time with my loves ones and trying to use my life for enjoyment in whatever way i chose to. It doesn't even need to cost money to be happy.

I think the human race needs to take a long look at itself and figure out where we want our future to go because unless things change things will only get worse.

Sorry for the rant, just my thoughts on the subject.

Originally Posted by shamegame

Thanksgiving is older than George Bush. And I think pretty much most of the world feels grateful for the U.S. and our efforts during WW2.

Originally Posted by nongreenthumb

Not really, americas created more wars than its solved and who wants to go to war anyway.

Plus, when america was looking for allies to go up againts sadam, who was there first.

So don't give me the you owe us ww2 bullshit.

Originally Posted by Ribbet29

No one will be able to change your already established hatred (or what YOU call it) for the united states, so I wont even try but America did try to avoid WW2 Until we were attacked (but we're war mongers, we started that one WW1 too).

The fact of the matter is thanksgiving is a harvest celebration and it would still been so with or without the Indians (who by the way celebrate the holiday). Also I would love for you to show me proof that on this day in history we killed indians and thats what we're really celebrating

YOU think thanksgiving is a joke, that is YOUR opinion. It's not your holiday so why are you even remotely concerned with it. YOUR hatred for the U.S. has made you blind to humanity.

MY name is not BUSH or Clinton, I don't drive a brand new car or have a high tech vacuum/oven like you seem to think, I am a United States Marine who doesn't care what color you are, what country your from, what religion you practice or what your income is. I am a proud American with no hatred for any country. Smoke some bud and take your blinders off

Originally Posted by Ribbet29

No one will be able to change your already established hatred (or what YOU call it) for the united states, so I wont even try but America did try to avoid WW2 Until we were attacked (but we're war mongers, we started that one WW1 too).

The fact of the matter is thanksgiving is a harvest celebration and it would still been so with or without the Indians (who by the way celebrate the holiday). Also I would love for you to show me proof that on this day in history we killed indians and thats what we're really celebrating

YOU think thanksgiving is a joke, that is YOUR opinion. It's not your holiday so why are you even remotely concerned with it. YOUR hatred for the U.S. has made you blind to humanity.

MY name is not BUSH or Clinton, I don't drive a brand new car or have a high tech vacuum/oven like you seem to think, I am a United States Marine who doesn't care what color you are, what country your from, what religion you practice or what your income is. I am a proud American with no hatred for any country. Smoke some bud and take your blinders off

Originally Posted by ViRedd

With all the supposed hatred these other countries are harboring toward the United States (according to the liberals), I'd be for digging up all of our veterans who were killed in action and who are resting in our military cemeteries in those foreign lands ... and bring them home.

Vi