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medicineman · #21 11-22-2007, 05:17 PM

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"The thing that people don't realize is with the death of about a thousand individuals, the top elites, we could take control of the government. It is easy to kill them one at a time. You just have to locate them and walk right up and zero them out."

Yeppers, right out of the Lenin, Mao and Marx handbook. Hey Med ... do you still wave The Little Red Book?

Vi

Nope, I also don't wave the flag or the bible either, but I'll surely wave goodby to Bush and his cronies and all his supporters on this site when they are smart enough to find out they've been duped and are too embarassed to show their faces. Maybe like you VI.

ViRedd · #22 11-22-2007, 05:24 PM

You keep missing the point, Med. I'm not pro Bush. I'm anti statism.

Vi

medicineman · #23 11-22-2007, 05:28 PM

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You keep missing the point, Med. I'm not pro Bush. I'm anti statism.

Vi

Does that include plutocratic fascism? Or is that your government of choice?

ViRedd · #24 11-23-2007, 10:56 AM

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Does that include plutocratic fascism? Or is that your government of choice?

Just so I can be sure of what you're talking about, please define "plutocratic fascism." Thanks ...

Vi

spoonsofdoom · #25 11-23-2007, 11:39 AM

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plutocratic fascism

elitism would probably be a better word for it.

medicineman · #26 11-23-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Just so I can be sure of what you're talking about, please define "plutocratic fascism." Thanks ...

Vi

I guess the plainest way to explain it is; The current government! One run by corporations for corporations (Elites) that try and remove any and all priveledges enjoyed by the proletariat. Please don't ask me to explain proletariat, use Websters if you are that ignorant.

ViRedd · #27 11-24-2007, 06:44 PM

OK Med, thanks for the definition. Now, please list the "privileges" that have been "removed" from the "common man." Thanks ...

Vi

medicineman · #28 11-25-2007, 12:37 PM

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OK Med, thanks for the definition. Now, please list the "privileges" that have been "removed" from the "common man." Thanks ...

Vi

You and your fucking lists. It's common sense if you pay attention.
1.end of Habeas-Corpus
2.Laws to be locked up without counsel and held indefently in an undisclosed location.
3 waterboarding is not torture.
4. The roll back of many personal freedom laws, IE the ability to form unions requires a 51% majority, but to disband one only requires 31%.
5. The total regulation of industry is being done by industry insiders. Do you think they are looking out for our interests? IE labor and pollution regulations are going in favor of the corps.
6. I'm tired of doing lists for your satisfaction. If you can't see the downfall of democracy then you are right, you are going blind. there are so many little chips in the structure that one has to remain vigil or our democracy will be a dictatorship quite soon. Being in the elite class, it probably benefits you as in if no-one can afford gas, then for you, that means less traffic. This is why I hate elites, they can only see what benefits them, even if it fucks over millions.

ViRedd · #29 11-25-2007, 08:55 PM

Ahh ... well, thanks for the explanation. Very well done, I must say.

Now then, how in your opinion, have the "elites" been able to get their agendas through? I mean, we have a constitution that chains the federal government, right? I mean, the Left hasn't had a hand in eroding the Constitution for THEIR purposes has it? I'm not denying that the Right isn't at fault as well, of course. What I AM saying is that you are being misdirected, to say the least. The fault lies at the feet of ALL who are looking for special privileges from the federal government. That includes those who want to use the power of the federal government to redistribute wealth, build bridges to nowhere, subsidize the advertising budgets of American corporations in foreign countries, limit the cost of gasoline, pay millionaire (or any) farmers tribute from the treasury, provide "free" medical care, enforce minimum wage laws ... and on, and on, and on, and on ...

The problem is STATISM, Med ... not George Bush or Teddy Kennedy. Its all about the mindset of the American people. We were once a fiercely independent people who built a great country. Now, we are dependent children sucking off the teat of the Nanny State. We think we have a "right" to the wealth of others without thinking for one second that that right actually violates the rights of the other person. As I've said many times here in the forum ... we are on the road to serfdom and its our fault.

Vi

medicineman · #30 11-26-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Ahh ... well, thanks for the explanation. Very well done, I must say.

Now then, how in your opinion, have the "elites" been able to get their agendas through? I mean, we have a constitution that chains the federal government, right? I mean, the Left hasn't had a hand in eroding the Constitution for THEIR purposes has it? I'm not denying that the Right isn't at fault as well, of course. What I AM saying is that you are being misdirected, to say the least. The fault lies at the feet of ALL who are looking for special privileges from the federal government. That includes those who want to use the power of the federal government to redistribute wealth, build bridges to nowhere, subsidize the advertising budgets of American corporations in foreign countries, limit the cost of gasoline, pay millionaire (or any) farmers tribute from the treasury, provide "free" medical care, enforce minimum wage laws ... and on, and on, and on, and on ...

The problem is STATISM, Med ... not George Bush or Teddy Kennedy. Its all about the mindset of the American people. We were once a fiercely independent people who built a great country. Now, we are dependent children sucking off the teat of the Nanny State. We think we have a "right" to the wealth of others without thinking for one second that that right actually violates the rights of the other person. As I've said many times here in the forum ... we are on the road to serfdom and its our fault.

Vi

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. It doesn't automatically make it right. It may seem right to you and wrong to me. I may think that Bush is responsible for a great dismanteling of the constitution and of handing corporations unlimited powers. I may think universal health care is ambrosia from the Gods. Do I not realize that taxes will have to be raised to pay for it, well yes I do. I also realize that there will no longer be ins. premiums and copays which will offset the taxes and let everyone be covered for "free", IE no expense when being treated, no bankruptcy from medical bills, etc. Your "Nany state" is to me a compassionate government, one that cares for it's citizens. one that would listen to what the citizenry had to say about their welfare, instead of let them eat shit. With priveledge comes responsibility and the priveleged of today see no need for social responsibility, they are way too selfish. From your postings on this site, I would have to include you in this category

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