Retaliate against whom? The dead people who piloted the planes?

Great rejoin bro. I'm glad someone schooled these bleeding hearts.

Also, perhaps toppling the Argentine government with a swift securing of the oil fields and pipelines while watching the Argentines 'Lord of the Fly' their way into Haiti-2.0 would finally even the score with Hitler and prevent another Holocaust...

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assuming Al queda was responsible for the attacks on 9/11, i supposed the proper responce should have been to stomp bin laden and al queda out of existance in an way that would have scared the crap out of all other terrorists with ill-intentions toward the u.s.

the fact that g.w. bush decided to to take on ALL terrorists, on MANY fronts instead of decisively meating out justice to those responsible is what makes him a warmonger.

by the way, 'preventative war' is a term invented by warmongers. it is a result of not having the good moral will or the evolved intellect to find a diplomatic solution.

Yes I would consider them warmongers if they used that as an excuse to spread war throughout the middle east. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 I remind you, nor does Iran, who we will soon be invading. I am also beginning to doubt the taliban had anything to do with 9/11, but regardless I would have accepted them invading Afgahn and stopping there. But they didn't, therefore the people who started this war and people who support them are warmongers imho. I would also remind you the majority of Americans are against this war. As is Jesus I assume

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Oh didn't see this. Yeah that's what I'm trying to say^^

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Well culte your a little off as he didnt take on all terroist on all fronts he went to Afghanastan and Iraq the 2 strong holds for trainging al queida so he went after 1 or 2 groups all related to each others causes.This triggered supporters of the al quieda groups to join forces to help thier crazy ass brothers. Now back to the original question.Its jesus fault there are wars along with allah, buddah,gnash, and any other god. Religion is the rule to all the basis of all war since time has started.The belief one gods is the true god or the right god makes his followers fight to prove they are following the right god. Take away all religion and gods and the world gets real peaceful.So I blame all religious people and gods for the turmoil we as humanes have entered into.

No your wrong. We would still be at war if religion didn't exist. This is a war for money not religious beliefs.

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Blood for oil, for sure. It's going above 3.00 a gallon, heading for 4.00, they will not be happy uintill it is 5.00 and the rich can afford that all right, it will be the poor and middleclass commuters that are going to get fucked. If you have a 60 mile commute every day @ 15 miles to the gallon, thats 20.00 a day or 100.00 a week, thats 420.00 a month, just like another car payment, two people driving to work to support their lifestyle, thats 840.00 a month, a house payment.. Tell me the rich don't have a plan to fuck the middle class. They don't have a problem with high gas prices, the way they look at it is less drivers on the road. Now the price of a driving vacation has exceeded the price of the vacation itself

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what a wonderful place the world inside your mind must be. i hate to break it to you, but here in the real world i guess we're all warmongers according to your narrow definition of the term. violence and warfare in the name of this ideology are that seems to be the preferred method of expanding any particular point of view. granted; it is a rather primitive method, but this is a rather primitive world.

....and how, exactly, do you go about killing the hydra? if one head bites you do you cut it off, allowing it to grow two more it its place? this is the first instance of a war waged against an enemy which has no particular home and, as such, there are no precedents to follow. it's probably a war that should have taken place covertly, but that's a big no-no these days.

i'm not sure poland would agree with you. though inflammatory rhetoric and saber rattling are pretty much par for the course, there comes a time when it is rather obvious that war is in the offing.

there is this strange notion going 'round these days that everyone will respond to good intentions. i'm sorry, but it just ain't so. it would be nice if everyone was so enlightened, but the truth of the matter seems to be that there are those who would rather force their ideology on others than discuss things rationally.

wouldn't it be nice if it were all that simple?

there is almost always an odd mixture of money, power and ideology behind war. of course there is money to be made in war, but few are so callous that they would cause the deaths of thousands for what can be plundered by more nonviolent means. this war, like so many others, is a clash between ideological imperialisms. both sides seem to see the truth and, when the future of the world is at stake, there can be no middle ground. both sides see this as a war for survival, as expansion is always equated with survival, and neither side is capable of realizing the falsities behind their own rhetoric. it is quite easy to paint the stronger of two combatants as the aggressor, but it would appear that in this case both sides are to blame. both sides and the underlying illusion of truth.



but back to the question at hand:

if christianity can be considered an offshoot of judaism (which it quite obviously is), then jesus would have to be as pro-war as his warrior predecessors. the abrahamic creeds all share a peculiar lust for conquest and expansion and have seldom shied from bloodshed to attain their goals. though the gospels may pay lip service to the ideals of peace and forgiveness, there is always an underlying theme of intolerance toward unbelievers and an attitude of elitism that inevitably leads to considering those of other faiths to be slightly beneath the conventions of behavior followed within the society of the faithful.

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Welcome to rollitup!

It seems to me that if one believes in the christian notion of the omniscience of the deity, then Jesus "knew" before the world was created that there would be constant war and conflict among his peoples.
Therefore Jesus could be very well depicted as the commander in chief of ALL wars since time began.

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if christianity can be considered an offshoot of judaism (which it quite obviously is), then jesus would have to be as pro-war as his warrior predecessors. the abrahamic creeds all share a peculiar lust for conquest and expansion and have seldom shied from bloodshed to attain their goals. though the gospels may pay lip service to the ideals of peace and forgiveness, there is always an underlying theme of intolerance toward unbelievers and an attitude of elitism that inevitably leads to considering those of other faiths to be slightly beneath the conventions of behavior followed within the society of the faithful.

What happened to love thine enemies, or turn the other cheek. I believe Jesus was the epitomy of anti-war. Jesus came to forgive and change the premis of the old testament, an eye for an eye bullshit. It is the hypocritical assholes that start wars claiming to be devout Christians that will feel the hottest place in hell, like Bush-Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle etc.

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