japan was given the provisions of it's original surrender attempt

you got a link?

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I'm not saying your wrong either but I was always under the impression that Japan didn't even try to surrender after the first bomb, after the second they suddenly changed their tune.

ok then heres a question for you guys


If a nucleur bomb went off in washington dc during the state of the union adress the size of hiroshima


and

or

a nuke went off in New york City the size of nagasaki. (now remeber this is not from a balistic missle).

ok so say YOU are the President or the next one whos in charge if the pres didnt make the strike.

Can you tell me who you would nuke back in retaliation? please im all ears

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That's why I'm not president.....lol. Man that's a good question.

I see what you're saying but a nuclear device going off over here would be prevented more by having security at home rather than fighting in the Middle East...they are gonna have to sneak the nuke in they sure as hell can't shoot it over here. All we are doing is bugging the shit out of people, we need to fight terrorism not insurgents, best done with our superior technology...i.e. creating more covert forces to thwart terrorism, cutting off money, etc. Not sending a ton of troops to Iraq to fight an oil man's war.

They got to keep their emperor, that was one of the reasons they did not accept the original surrender proposal. The US did not want them to have the Emperor but after the big ones we let them keep him.

Here's a pretty good read:
Why Did Japan Delay Surrender to the Allies? - Associated Content

In all honesty I believe that the nuking of japan was a direct result of the pearl harbor attack. Had the japanese not attacked us the nuking weather it was defensive or punitive would not have happened.

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Accidental double post.

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In thinking of this a bit more now I'm thinking that the decision to drop the bombs on japan was an opportunity for us to flex our muscles and show the soviets that we are some tough mother bitches. Purely theory and conjecture on my part though.

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Hindsight is always 20/20, and the grass is always greener.....you get my point.

"In all honesty I believe that the nuking of japan was a direct result of the pearl harbor attack. Had the japanese not attacked us the nuking weather it was defensive or punitive would not have happened."

Well this statment goes without saying. No Pearl Harbor no war on Japan.......maybe. Its difficult to say whether or not Japan attacking Pearl Harbor would or would not have drawn us into a war with Japan. You can speculate all day on this.


To get back to the topic of the OP, I remember going to school, facing the flag, putting my hand over my heart and saying the pledge of allegiance every morning.....under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. No backlash from religious groups about saying God in a classroom, not a single child protesting about saying the pledge because they don't like what the president is doing...again you get my point.

You ask what have we become? Indeed, what have we become. We have become a nation of whiners, who piss and moan about things not going our or your way. Then you use the government as a scapegoat as to why your life sucks. Well if things are so bad, do something about it. More do, less talk. That is the downfall of this country, you mention intelligent and great founders of this country. They were rich slave owning(rich mind you for all you I hate the rich people out there) aristocrats that got off their fat asses because they were tired of paying taxes to another rich fat ass. They were doers though, something that is in short supply in this country.

Ever been to Africa? Any country in Africa, take a dart and throw it at Africa and see what country you land on. Then ask yourself, would I be better off rasing my child there. I have another one, take a map of asia use another dart, look where it lands, then ask yourself again would I be better off raising my child there? Like I said before the grass isnt always greener.

We have 5% of the worlds population. We consume 75% of the worlds goods. uhh... seems a little unbalanced. Its funny, we think we have a right to tell these 'backwards' countries what they should do and how they should go about it. Every time I here about protecting 'our American way of life' I wanna puke. Travel through Germany. You will see folks there have pretty much everything we have. Their country, because of Hitler, was bombed to shit, split by the Soviet Union. Go to Spain, Italy, etc. Same thing. Why? Because they are not out spending the little guys money to make the big guys richer by feeling they have a right, no make that a duty, to 'protect our American way of life'. Their American Way of Life and mine ain't exactly the same.
Can you believe it, we have been told to spend our money when times are hard to keep the economy moving. Here, you don't have any, I'll lend you some of mine, go buy the things you can't afford, so I can afford all the things I want. I'll just a little more money back from you in interest, and raise taxes just a little. You don't support our troops, you are UNAMERICAN. If you want to do what is right for the troops get them the %%456879 out of harms way. 70% of the Iraqi people voted in their election. If we just get out of the way, no let me rephrase that, WHEN we get out of the way, they will have to deal with each other. I watched the ONDCP guy talk about what the International Community, all CIVILIZED nations thing about drugs. Well BULLSHIT.
Check out what LEAP has to say about the war on terror and the war on drugs. Lets say you are a small farmer in Afganistan. And the friut trees you have cared for, been in your family for generations were suddenly wiped out by a bomb. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? Sit back and say thanks to Alla for protecting the American Way of Life. 5% of the American people 'enjoy' the American way of life. The other 95% pay for it, along with the rest of the WORLDS population and "THEY" have us so indoctrinated we accept all this as being patriotic??
Why should I worry if the stockmarket falls 20 points and the housing market is down? How does that affect me personally?
You talk about freedom, yet you live in the country that has the largest percentage of its population incarcerated. The little people are getting hosed.
Well.. the ice was ready to check so I did. Rant over...at least for now. VV

Well said.

As for earlier poster calling us whiners, I have voted in every election I was able to...meaning since I turned 18, I would consider that doing something. Also I was aiming my comments more at our gov't and our system not the country. Get the troops home, protect here first, hell half of California is on fire and we're worried about some crazies in the Middle East. I feel like the US is so imperialistic at this part. Also you made a comment about Africa, which made me think of this. How much money does the gov't give to these poor nations, what kind of help do we give them. Half the countries are run by warlords who practice genocide daily. We do nothing to help them...why? No oil would be my guess. It's not whining it's my american right to say I am ashamed at how we carry ourselves and how the fools run this country....this whole country is like a big giant Wal Mart, aka a shady major corporation.

Lastly I do agree this is the greatest country on earth to raise a family, opportunity is everywhere. But the jack asses in power make us look like money grubbing assholes who do what we want. Do you think most of the Middle East knows that most of us are aginst the whole Iraq thing, no way they hate us cause they think we and our gov't are one....we are George Bush and Dickhead Cheney to them. And the senate and congress is a bunch of sheep just trying to get re-elected no matter what. I just feel it's time for a change, some new ideas, some fresh ideas, it's broke so let's at least try to fix it.