now that its passed

**doc111** · 03-29-2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by dukeofbaja

Hey, some more agreement to be had.

I actually do have quite a libertarian streak in me, but the ideas seem to fall apart when applied nowadays. And even though I am a 'progressive', I also believe that we need to reign in welfare, fuck, I even like RickWhite's idea of workfare (for those physically capable of working). I do not think that I should have been given food stamps (I am unemployed but still have some money left in the bank, I have not used them and never will but applying for them let me get an $80 discount on my OMMP card). I am a proponent of capitalism and oppose hardcore socialism. I want competition and 'survival of the fittest' to some degree, but I also want a minimum safety net for the citizens who deserve it.

So next time, before any of you use 'progressive' disparagingly, keep in mind that I simply want things to progress. How we do that often coincides with ideas from both of the corrupt parties we currently have in power!

I think the term "progressive" is too broadly applied and means different things to different people. You're right, progressive sounds great. It's got that warm and fuzzy sound. Just as some crazies have hijacked the tea party movement, some evil-doers (ya like my Bush era conservative moniker?

) have done the same to the progressive movement. I'm for progress. I love technology and science. I just don't want servitude disguised as progress. That's what scares me about the current agenda in washington. Not a damn one of our beloved politicians can be trusted IMO, and believe it or not I'm not a paranoid conspiracy nut (no offense to any paranoid conspiracy nuts.

). It just doesn't sit right with me.

**dukeofbaja** · 03-29-2010, 08:25 PM

I'm no conspiracy theorist either, but I am at least 99% with you that not a one of them can be trusted, truly. Hell, if I got into that position, I'm not even sure I could trust myself....shit is complicated, especially after a good harvest gets cured...

EDIT - I should work on defining what my form of progressive is a little better, true. Way too obtuse and broad....

**doc111** · 03-30-2010, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by dukeofbaja

I'm no conspiracy theorist either, but I am at least 99% with you that not a one of them can be trusted, truly. Hell, if I got into that position, I'm not even sure I could trust myself....shit is complicated, especially after a good harvest gets cured...

EDIT - I should work on defining what my form of progressive is a little better, true. Way too obtuse and broad....

I was exaggerating a little bit (a very little bit).

I'm sure some of them can be trusted.

**figtree** · 03-30-2010, 09:46 AM

Public risk for uninsured........ using the E.R. as your primary care, having a catastrophic injury or illness. both instances cost alot to the tax payer and insurance companies because if you were to keep yourself healthy, the chances are less for this to happen. which in turn keeps the costs lower. funny how if you maintain something it tends to last longer and is cheaper to maintain in the long run, it applies to healthcare as well.

**londonfog** · 03-30-2010, 10:32 AM

My question to Cracker is why is he still in the USA ??????? If I really thought the country was going down hill and already had land in two places out the country as well as my earning...why the hell would you still stay

...oh well this the internet people can be and do what ever they want. I will just be me

**CrackerJax** · 03-30-2010, 12:07 PM

Because I still have properties here. I am waiting to see if the ship can right itself.

I also have had a personal responsibility for the last year and a half which keeps me in one location. Otherwise I usually travel three or four times a year, just for kicks.

I will say that certainly my obligation will be done by 2102. If Obama gets reelected.... Cracker will go. We've decided after much consultation on Canada, wich is now the land of opportunity compared to the USA. Besides, one side of my family hails from Nova Scotia.

**londonfog** · 03-30-2010, 12:11 PM

Hey you might want to look at Costa Rica.....Hear other people talking about moving that way...

**CrackerJax** · 03-30-2010, 12:20 PM

I have been there...looked around...I have friends down there...great fishing...but I'm over fishing and have been for years. Big boats all that junk...been there done that....I live in Florida...I want seasons again.

That has been the contention. My wife has only lived in tropical climes....and Canada is a BIG step. We've made many trips and picked up property years ago when the dollar was giving us a 35% advantage....timing...like everything.

That was the equation and discussions.... take the huge profit and sell....and buy elsewhere...or simply put up a house on the acreage.

I just have to promise to fly her out whenever she wants in the winter back to one of our southern places. That was the deal. It still could change.... I like to stay open to possibilities. You first have to set up to take advantage of it...if it comes along.

So Costa is sweet, and we can stay down there whenever we wish with a phone call....but meh...we've never called so...we won't be moving south.

Actually I wanted a place in the Nederlands...

**Mindmelted** · 03-30-2010, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by CrackerJax

I have been there...looked around...I have friends down there...great fishing...but I'm over fishing and have been for years. Big boats all that junk...been there done that....I live in Florida...I want seasons again.

That has been the contention. My wife has only lived in tropical climes....and Canada is a BIG step. We've made many trips and picked up property years ago when the dollar was giving us a 35% advantage....timing...like everything.

That was the equation and discussions.... take the huge profit and sell....and buy elsewhere...or simply put up a house on the acreage.

I just have to promise to fly her out whenever she wants in the winter back to one of our southern places. That was the deal. It still could change.... I like to stay open to possibilities. You first have to set up to take advantage of it...if it comes along.

So Costa is sweet, and we can stay down there whenever we wish with a phone call....but meh...we've never called so...we won't be moving south.

Actually I wanted a place in the Nederlands...

Damn CJ you in Florida 2

**CrackerJax** · 03-30-2010, 07:01 PM

I've been in FloriDUH for about 30 years.... but I spent all my summers here since I was 2.

It was Florida back then.... a much better place. Back when the beaches were all public and you could actually see it without giant condos everywhere.

I finally moved inland 20 years ago to get some space.