Forum Shop Market
Seeds FAQ Tools
SEE OUR MARIJUANA SEED GUIDE FOR THE BEST STRAINS
Looking for Legal Marijuana look no further!
Go Back   Marijuana Growing > Cannabis Cafe > Politics


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1    
Old 12-01-2006, 02:02 PM
medicineman's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
medicineman is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
Posts: 12,692
medicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Default Homegrown terrorists
Anti-abortion fanatics spread fear by bombings, murders and assaults, but the media take little notice.
This piece was originally published by Newsday.
On Sept. 11, 2006, the fifth anniversary of the terror attacks that devastated our nation, a man crashed his car into a building in Davenport, Iowa, hoping to blow it up and kill himself in the fire.
No national newspaper, magazine or network newscast reported this attempted suicide bombing, though an AP wire story was available. Cable news (save for MSNBC's Keith Olbermann) was silent about this latest act of terrorism in America.
Had the criminal, David McMenemy, been Arab or Muslim, this would have been headline news for weeks. But since his target was the Edgerton Women's Health Center, rather than, say, a bank or a police station, media have not called this terrorism -- even after three decades of extreme violence by anti-abortion fanatics, mostly fundamentalist Christians who believe they're fighting a holy war.
Since 1977, casualties from this war include seven murders, 17 attempted murders, three kidnappings, 152 assaults, 305 completed or attempted bombings and arsons, 375 invasions, 482 stalking incidents, 380 death threats, 618 bomb threats, 100 acid attacks, and 1,254 acts of vandalism, according to the National Abortion Federation.
Abortion providers and activists received 77 letters threatening anthrax attacks before 9/11, yet the media never considered anthrax threats as terrorism until after 9/11, when such letters were delivered to journalists and members of Congress.
After 9/11, Planned Parenthood and other abortion rights groups received 554 envelopes containing white powder and messages like: "You have been exposed to anthrax. ... We are going to kill all of you." They were signed by the Army of God, a group that hosts Scripture-filled web pages for "Anti-Abortion Heroes of the Faith," including minister Paul Hill, Michael Griffin and James Kopp, all convicted of murdering abortion providers, and a convicted clinic bomber, the Rev. Michael Bray. Another of their "martyrs," Clayton Waagner, mailed anthrax letters while a fugitive on the FBI's 10 most wanted list for anti-abortion related crimes.
"I am a terrorist," Waagner declared on the Army of God's web site. Boasting that God "freed me to make war on his enemy," he claimed he knew where 42 Planned Parenthood workers lived. "It doesn't matter to me if you're a nurse, receptionist, bookkeeper, or janitor, if you work for the murderous abortionist, I'm going to kill you."
That's textbook terrorism, defined by the USA Patriot Act as dangerous criminal acts that "appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" or "to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."
Which brings us back to car bomber, McMenemy. According to the Detroit Free Press (the only newspaper in the Nexis news database that reported his crime), he targeted the women's health center because he thought it provided abortions. It doesn't. (oops!) It provides mostly low-income patients with pap smears, ob-gyn care, testing for sexually transmitted diseases, birth control, and nutrition and immunization programs for women and children.
The attack caused $170,000 in property damage and left poor families without health care for a week. But long after Edgerton's water-logged carpets are removed, scorched medical equipment replaced and new doors reopened to the public, a culture of fear will linger among doctors, nurses, advocates and patients across the country, who will worry they could be next. Some frightened workers will quit their jobs; some women will be too scared to get the health care they need.
Every fresh incident of anti-abortion terrorism is a reminder that women's health supporters are not safe in a country where abortion is legal but mobilized zealots believe Jesus has empowered them to kill to prevent women from choosing it.
Is McMenemy a lone nut case, or a member of that network of violent extremists? We don't know, because journalists haven't investigated.
Nor have they reported that just last year, nearly one in five abortion clinics experienced gunfire, arson, bombings, chemical attacks, assaults, stalking, death threats and blockades, according to the 2005 National Clinic Violence Survey. Additionally, 59 percent suffered intimidation tactics such as photo/video surveillance.
Federal efforts to hunt down these terrorists improved with the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act in 1994 and the National Task Force on Violence Against Health Care Providers, established by the Department of Justice in 1998. The feds have taken over McMenemy's case, charging him with arson against a business affecting interstate commerce. Yet as of Oct. 5, no news outlet on Nexis reported this, despite a second AP story.
As we continue national debates on how to keep America safe from terrorism, journalists do us -- and especially women -- no good pretending that the threats come only from radical Muslims outside our borders. Ye-haw, we're just a bunch of Christians!
__________________
Life is good, the water is sweet. The ground keeps moving beneath my feet.

Last edited by medicineman; 12-01-2006 at 02:06 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #2    
Old 12-01-2006, 02:07 PM
mogie's Avatar
Super Stoner
Mr. Ganja
mogie is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I am trapped in a space time continuem
Posts: 5,950
mogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond reputemogie has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 32,408, Level: 25 Points: 32,408, Level: 25 Points: 32,408, Level: 25
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Just remember all the horrible things that have been done in the name of God. It is amazing that God fearing people will do when they thing that God is on their side or they are doing his will. When in reality they are off doing their own thing and justify it by saying God told them to do this.

God told me to smoke a giant dub have to go now.
Reply With Quote
  #3    
Old 12-01-2006, 02:33 PM
ViRedd's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
ViRedd is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
Posts: 12,116
ViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30
Activity: 8% Activity: 8% Activity: 8%
"Since 1977, casualties from this war include seven murders, 17 attempted murders, three kidnappings, 152 assaults, 305 completed or attempted bombings and arsons, 375 invasions, 482 stalking incidents, 380 death threats, 618 bomb threats, 100 acid attacks, and 1,254 acts of vandalism, according to the National Abortion Federation."

When considering that there have been over 42 million abortions in the U.S. since Roe vs Wade, the stats cited above look pretty paltry in comparason. Kind of a one sided "war," wouldn't you say, Med & Mogie?

FRONTLINE: the last abortion clinic: abortion wars: abortion in america | PBS

Vi
__________________
Liberals are people that will believe anything twice.

Last edited by ViRedd; 12-01-2006 at 02:36 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #4    
Old 12-01-2006, 02:45 PM
medicineman's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
medicineman is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
Posts: 12,692
medicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
When considering that there have been over 42 million abortions in the U.S. since Roe vs Wade, the stats cited above look pretty paltry in comparason. Kind of a one sided "war," wouldn't you say, Med & Mogie?
Those were womens choices based on their life situations and basically none of anyone elses business. The other facts were terrorists attacking other people, I see a difference. I don't want to debate Abortion, as I am not quite sure what I believe. This is a very hot button issue with some people. I see it as the womens right, but really don't condone Killing. It's a complex issue and all I was doing here was to bring to light the terrorist activities against abortion clinics, and the fact that it mostly goes un-reported in national press!
__________________
Life is good, the water is sweet. The ground keeps moving beneath my feet.
Reply With Quote
  #5    
Old 12-01-2006, 02:54 PM
ViRedd's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
ViRedd is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
Posts: 12,116
ViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30
Activity: 8% Activity: 8% Activity: 8%
"It's a complex issue and all I was doing here was to bring to light the terrorist activities against abortion clinics, and the fact that it mostly goes un-reported in national press."

Yes, it is a complex issue. No doubt about it. And ... all I was doing was pointing out the one sidedness of the so called "war." And it too goes unreported in the national press. One thing I find very interesting, Med, is that the mainstream media NEVER shows the results of an abortion. Have you ever seen an aborted fetus on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, etal?

Neither have I.

Vi
__________________
Liberals are people that will believe anything twice.
Reply With Quote
  #6    
Old 12-01-2006, 03:07 PM
medicineman's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
medicineman is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
Posts: 12,692
medicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Yes, it is a complex issue. No doubt about it. And ... all I was doing was pointing out the one sidedness of the so called "war." And it too goes unreported in the national press. One thing I find very interesting, Med, is that the mainstream media NEVER shows the results of an abortion. Have you ever seen an aborted fetus on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, etal?

There's no doubt that it is a very barbaric ritual, ripping a fetus out of a womans womb, but lets look at the alternatives. First lets decide when consciousness begins. Since no-one can remember that far back, unless supposidly put under hypnosis, we must "assume" that a fetus is not a person yet. And if we believe Christian beliefs, that soul goes straight to heaven, and since God sees all and knows all this was already pre-supposed. So it is not a sin. Second, what kind of life does an unwanted child have to look forward to, either adapted out and not knowing his real mother, or ending up in some horrendous life with a crackhead mother or an abusive step father etc. This is one view. There are many and as I've said, I'm torn on this issue! I will debate this no more! BTW I have seen the results of vacuuming a fetus out of a womb, very disturbing!
__________________
Life is good, the water is sweet. The ground keeps moving beneath my feet.

Last edited by medicineman; 12-01-2006 at 03:09 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #7    
Old 12-01-2006, 03:33 PM
ViRedd's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
ViRedd is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
Posts: 12,116
ViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond reputeViRedd has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30 Points: 44,792, Level: 30
Activity: 8% Activity: 8% Activity: 8%
"And if we believe Christian beliefs, that soul goes straight to heaven, and since God sees all and knows all this was already pre-supposed. So it is not a sin."

Boy, would I like an explaination of this! But, since you've decided that you won't continue with the conversation, I guess an explaination won't be forthcoming. For one thing ... I would like to know if God would condone all murder because it was "predisposed?" How about theft, adultry, coveting, not respecting the sabbath, etc.? Are they all "predisposed" too?

Vi
__________________
Liberals are people that will believe anything twice.
Reply With Quote
  #8    
Old 12-01-2006, 03:39 PM
medicineman's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
medicineman is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
Posts: 12,692
medicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd View Post
"And if we believe Christian beliefs, that soul goes straight to heaven, and since God sees all and knows all this was already pre-supposed. So it is not a sin."

Boy, would I like an explaination of this! But, since you've decided that you won't continue with the conversation, I guess an explaination won't be forthcoming. For one thing ... I would like to know if God would condone all murder because it was "predisposed?" How about theft, adultry, coveting, not respecting the sabbath, etc.? Are they all "predisposed" too?

Vi
Ask Him that knows all, For it is only him that knows! But think about it, if he knows all then he knew it before it happened and allowed it! This is way over my head! thats why I don't want to discuss it! Man can not rationalize this!
__________________
Life is good, the water is sweet. The ground keeps moving beneath my feet.
Reply With Quote
  #9    
Old 12-01-2006, 04:12 PM
Wavels's Avatar
Veteran Smoker
Mr. Ganja
Wavels is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,702
Wavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to beholdWavels is a splendid one to behold
Points: 11,668, Level: 15 Points: 11,668, Level: 15 Points: 11,668, Level: 15
Activity: 8% Activity: 8% Activity: 8%
Vi has this exactly right^^^^
__________________
If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT.
~ Frank Zappa ~

Liberty means responsibility, that is why most men dread it.
~George Bernard Shaw~
Reply With Quote
  #10    
Old 12-01-2006, 04:22 PM
medicineman's Avatar
Marijuana EXPERT
Mr. Ganja
medicineman is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
Posts: 12,692
medicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond reputemedicineman has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29 Points: 40,737, Level: 29
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavels View Post
Vi has this exactly right^^^^
what does that mean? Is it OK to bomb and kill abortion Dr.s throw acid on them, burn down their businesses and homes, thats pretty warped! Or do you just kiss Vi's ass and agree with everything he posts?
__________________
Life is good, the water is sweet. The ground keeps moving beneath my feet.
 

Tags
homegrown, terrorists

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Thread

Thread Starter

Forum

Replies

Last Post

Lovin The Homegrown! eLLisD Indoor Growing 1 02-22-2007 07:59 AM

Posting Rules

You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Come Check out a new Poker Forum for the online poker community

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:41 PM.
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2