another political rant - Page 2

medicineman · #11 10-16-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleSunny

Thanks Vi...you aren't the easiest fella in the world to get praise from, from what I've seen, so I take that sincerely. And yeah, I do think the average person isn't very bright, but I like to give some benefit to them because who the fuck am I? I might crush out a mechanic in Trivial Pursuit, but if my car breaks down, this guy's brilliance would mean a hell of a lot more.
And I want to say that you are right, and have brought up a big point that i think I missed. Yes, I really despise George Bush...like more than I should...but I don't have an answer, and I really don't think it involves doing a pussy ass 180 and allowing ourselves to elect someone that "Isn't George." I really hate that America feels that if it can find a name to blame, the problem goes away. It doesn't go away. Thinking that 'reform'-plain and simple-constitutes the answer is being naive at best.

I can't say why I know this, due to the nature of this drug related forum, but I do have a good understanding as to what Hillary's medicine plan would do to this country. Now with what King George has done with vetoing the children's health care fund, and with the way the media WILL spin it, it will allow a backlash that will take an opposite approach. The new administration will be forced into socialized medicine, which will be executed in a hasty way, which will cripple the institution of medicine for a long, long while.
I promise I will write more on the insurance companies and why "Medicine" has to do something before the government or the angry mob turns on them. I just...can't say any more on that subject when I am this high. But thanks for the input, Vi.

Hey Sunny, already put forth the answer. Get rid Of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, IRS and a myriad of other unnecessary government entities and Medical would be easy, Call it the FGC, (Feel good connection).

UncleSunny · #12 10-16-2007, 02:12 PM

Hey Sunny, already put forth the answer. Get rid Of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, IRS and a myriad of other unnecessary government entities and Medical would be easy, Call it the FGC, (Feel good connection).
Honestly, man, I agree. I once wrote a blog where I invented the DWPist party--the department of water and power may be a huge bureaucracy and not really give a shit about you, but dammit, you'd better be alive and have a job to pay those bills. They don't care if your Muslim or Christian, gay or straight, a pot smoker or just someone that should be smoking it. The DWP would be more interested in things "working" rather than working for the Lord or the insurance companies.
Just lump them into one organization. I mean, the issue of medical access for people is a matter of infrastructure (that's a big word with me); the public health needs to be seen as a matter that affects all of us. One part of the system is down; for the network to work, it all has to run smoothly. I know that the real outcome of this idea is straight up Communism, and I am not a Communist because I am a realist when it comes to most of my (and other's) hairbrained ideas.
One hairbrained idea though that I am really cynical about is that wealthy people make policy concerning a reality they know nothing about. Do you think folks like George Bush look at price tags when they shop? I'll be honest with you, I spent the first 33 years of my life under the poverty level, but recently I married the girl of my dreams, who just happens to now make a good deal of money. (she wasn't making it when I proposed, so I ain't a gold digger, just lucky) Now, when I go to the grocery store, I really don't look at how much the food costs, not like I used to when I had to dig in the couch cushions to eat.
I'm saying this because when you can spend $200 at a grocery store, you don't care that there is a generic product you can buy that will save you 27 cents. How much more apathetic towards numbers could you be when you spend $10 million an hour on war supplies? When you sign bills for billions of dollars and sit down at campaign dinners at $5000 a plate?
You forget that $15,000 or less is what many people have to live on for the year, and that $15,000 (or whatever amount) doesn't register with you. They never see poor folks faces unless they are handing them their keys to park the car or upset that the floorboards weren't properly cleaned.
They forget that by denying little Tiny Tim medical access, they are exposing the country to epidemics that don't discriminate over social classes. Some flu bug could thrive in a poor community, mutate and then spread to my neighborhood, or worse, to George's country club...what then? I mean, isn't helping others who surround us ultimately a self serving task? Keeping the nation strong and healthy. I understand that there are limits, and money need be made, but we can find the money, just like the White house is finding the money to "rebuild" Iraq.

ViRedd · #13 10-16-2007, 05:22 PM

Med ...

Aren't you going against your principles in suggesting we get rid of the IRS? I'd be interested to know what tax system you'd use to pay for socialized medicine.

Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi

UncleSunny · #14 10-16-2007, 05:52 PM

Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi

Yeah, Vi, I am not an expert on Hill Dog's universal health care debacle but from the bits I've read and the debate I've seen, it wasn't very realistic. She has been quoted as saying, as well as Bill saying on the Daily Show, that it was the biggest blunder of her career.
Now, I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but honestly, failure shouldn't be a slammed door on a career in policy making, although if it was, my boyfriend George W wouldn't be here. The real issue we should be asking is "will doctors, hospitals and HMO's be willing to take a pay cut for the common good?" The FDA recently asked for an extra $10 Mil in funding, but have given out almost $8Mil in bonuses for their executive management, to keep 'good people' and "prevent them from going to the private sector." Think about it. We need good doctors, unfortunately, good doctors want to be rich doctors. Hospital administrators are NOT required to be doctors (although some are) and their main priority is to make money, not help the sick.
What would solve the problem is if Pharmaceutical companies were willing to have their execs work for $50g a year, if doctors had a salary cap of $80G, and medical equipment didn't run into the millions.
But then the admin. assistants and nurses would sink below a certain level, medical schools would be stripped bare and new drugs wouldn't be researched. Hey, let's force insurance companies to run on a non-profit basis. Yeah, all the money would go to creative accountants, I know, which is why the problem isn't good leadership. It's greed, as has been stated. If a cardiologist made as much as a General Practitioner, you'd be shit outta luck if your ticker was screwed. No body would be a specialist. Greed makes the world progress, as ugly as that may sound to some.
But as for Universal Health Care, it does work in some countries, but once America takes a look at their taxes after the first year of it, they are going to quickly forget the poor suffering kids, saying why should I have to pay for medicine when I ain't even sick?

medicineman · #15 10-16-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleSunny

Sunny ...

Have you ever read any of Hillary's "Hillary Care" program that she tried to foist upon the citizens during her husband's administration? Really scary stuff. I mean prison terms and mega-thousand dollar fines for just privately cutting a deal with one's doctor. Kinda like it was in Communist Romania.

Vi

Yeah, Vi, I am not an expert on Hill Dog's universal health care debacle but from the bits I've read and the debate I've seen, it wasn't very realistic. She has been quoted as saying, as well as Bill saying on the Daily Show, that it was the biggest blunder of her career.
Now, I haven't decided who to vote for yet, but honestly, failure shouldn't be a slammed door on a career in policy making, although if it was, my boyfriend George W wouldn't be here. The real issue we should be asking is "will doctors, hospitals and HMO's be willing to take a pay cut for the common good?" The FDA recently asked for an extra $10 Mil in funding, but have given out almost $8Mil in bonuses for their executive management, to keep 'good people' and "prevent them from going to the private sector." Think about it. We need good doctors, unfortunately, good doctors want to be rich doctors. Hospital administrators are NOT required to be doctors (although some are) and their main priority is to make money, not help the sick.
What would solve the problem is if Pharmaceutical companies were willing to have their execs work for $50g a year, if doctors had a salary cap of $80G, and medical equipment didn't run into the millions.
But then the admin. assistants and nurses would sink below a certain level, medical schools would be stripped bare and new drugs wouldn't be researched. Hey, let's force insurance companies to run on a non-profit basis. Yeah, all the money would go to creative accountants, I know, which is why the problem isn't good leadership. It's greed, as has been stated. If a cardiologist made as much as a General Practitioner, you'd be shit outta luck if your ticker was screwed. No body would be a specialist. Greed makes the world progress, as ugly as that may sound to some.
But as for Universal Health Care, it does work in some countries, but once America takes a look at their taxes after the first year of it, they are going to quickly forget the poor suffering kids, saying why should I have to pay for medicine when I ain't even sick?

I'm not sure they would. Taxes would be based on income, so the poor would pay a lot less. the rich and mega-rich would be hollering the loudest, just like they do now about income tax, even after Dubya gave them the biggest tax break ever. The greed factor increases exponentially as your income goes up. The richest pricks are usually the tightest assholes, there are some examples on this site.

UncleSunny · #16 10-17-2007, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by medicineman

I'm not sure they would. Taxes would be based on income, so the poor would pay a lot less. the rich and mega-rich would be hollering the loudest, just like they do now about income tax, even after Dubya gave them the biggest tax break ever. The greed factor increases exponentially as your income goes up. The richest pricks are usually the tightest assholes, there are some examples on this site.

Really, what I think Medicine man, (I'm baked, bro, so forgive me if I make an ass out of myself) is that the "Solution" isn't about government and policy. Now, please take into consideration before I say this, that I am sure that America cannot revert to a simpler lifestyle...well, we won't, so fuck anyone that tries to take away my iPod, fast cars, or titties on T.V.. I can't even say that I wish we would but...
I like the my modern conveniences (one of which I'm using to talk to you) , but I understand how I came to inherit it, and I'm scared of the power behind it all.

So, I think the actual solution is for Americans to not feel so fucking entitled to the luxuries we were born into. We'd rather be the CEO of a failing company who gives himself a raise rather than the guy that mortgages his house to save his company.
I need to point out in order to stay consistent that I don't have a problem with one guy having more than the next. But a Million Dollars doesn't have the same punch in your ear that it did when you were a kid, does it? Shit, ten dollars was a treasure to me, and I was a kid in the Seventies, but back then, a Billionaire who made all HER money in a few years by writing some kid wizard books??? Not even dumb ass fantasy.
It's a catch 22. If you got rid of all the rich folks, who would hire you? Money's gotta come from somewhere, and the reason rich people are rich is because they can hold on to their money by fucking poor folks in the ass.
Just like the way it's always been. Where else is all that loot gonna go?

ViRedd · #17 10-17-2007, 12:46 PM

Sunny sez ...

"It's a catch 22. If you got rid of all the rich folks, who would hire you? Money's gotta come from somewhere, and the reason rich people are rich is because they can hold on to their money by fucking poor folks in the ass."

Gotta disagree with you on this Sunny. The reason most rich people are rich is because they've worked 60-80 hours a week for most of their lives, put off impulse buys, invested wisely and helped others to get what THEY want. There's an old adage: Help enough people get what they want, and you'll get what you want in return. The money doesn't come first ... the "helping" does.

Vi

UncleSunny · #18 10-17-2007, 05:01 PM

Gotta disagree with you on this Sunny. The reason most rich people are rich is because they've worked 60-80 hours a week for most of their lives, put off impulse buys, invested wisely and helped others to get what THEY want. There's an old adage: Help enough people get what they want, and you'll get what you want in return. The money doesn't come first ... the "helping" does.

Vi

You are right, Vi, and I was just making a joke...Rich people and the French are the only folks you can get away with picking on these days it seems. I'm actually kinda well off myself to be honest, and the money comes from being educated and doing hard work; and trying not to spend it all on weed. That's the tough part.
I will say that there is still some truth to my joke...being in real estate, I'm sure you have seen your fair share of people paying for a value that isn't there. Landlords not keeping the building up to code but charging ridiculous rates, people not complying with full disclosure and a tricky contract here and there. There are sharks, but I would say that most of the sharks don't swim for very long unless they are super smart. I'm not going to try to pretend I understand the world, and a man's morality is a question of personal judgment, not mine to make. But I think people should be watched and called on over business ethics (and they are). The joke wasn't geared to the Computer Engineer who worked his or her whole life to give their family something more, it was more geared on those people's kids who don't give a shit about people and just do whatever it takes to make money without working for it, because they feel entitled.

I walk a slippery slope trying to sound smart around you guys. I'm just glad we're ALL high--lol--

ViRedd · #19 10-17-2007, 05:20 PM

Hey, you're smart enough for sure Sunny.

I've been in the RE business for many, many moons ... and I've seen them come and I've seen them go. The sharks and unethical ones can't survive in the residential resale end of the business because we are so dependent upon the other Realtors selling our listings through the local Multiple Listing Services. Once the word gets out about dishonest, unethical agents, they have to sell all of their listings themselves. That's an impossible task ... so if they are lucky enough not to get sued, they drop out of the business.

On the "rich" guys: I have clients who have really made it big. With very few exceptions, they have done exactly what you have done:

"and the money comes from being educated and doing hard work; and trying not to spend it all on weed. That's the tough part."

And by the way ... why are you spending money on weed? A simple little grow would supply you with enough quality weed that you would never have to buy again. If you need help let me know. If you haven't grown before, I have a very simple hydrophonic method for newbies and I'd be happy to describe it for you.

Vi

UncleSunny · #20 10-17-2007, 06:15 PM

And by the way ... why are you spending money on weed? A simple little grow would supply you with enough quality weed that you would never have to buy again. If you need help let me know. If you haven't grown before, I have a very simple hydrophonic method for newbies and I'd be happy to describe it for you.

Vi

Well, I wasn't spending money on weed, had great success with growing and harvesting a wonderful Sour Diesel plant my wife and I named "Sunny D." (fact, that's her in the pic) Right when I was harvesting, I had 6 more plants growing in different stages out on the patio, but a mix of improperly balanced Miracle Grow and a very hot day killed all of my plants in one afternoon. Right now I have one Bubble Gum Indica flowering and a really good looking Jack Heurer Sativa almost done vegging. The main problem is that my wife and I have been "planning" to move soon for a while, so any complicated grow set up really isn't something I want to invest in until we move.
Actually, Vi, I'd love advice on buying my first home-we are thinking about it, but both of our credit is crap.

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