Bill Clinton Love Thread

[towlie]

Which full scale military invasion are you referring to?

I was refering to Serbia.

[Chrisuperfly]

I was refering to Serbia.

Kosovo? Give me a break, first of all it wasnt an invasion, it was a joke. How do I know? I was there. I also seem to remember a couple of Apache pilots getting killed.

Just to clarify it was NATO bombing campaign/peace keeping mission not an invasion.

[ViRedd]

Med & Dank ...

For a couple of guys who claim to be "Independents," look carefully, you've both pissed all over your shoes in this thread in an attempt to support Bill Clinton. In that attempt, you are using the Clinton Machine's talking points. Independents my ass. Too funny.

Vi

[ViRedd]

Here's the good and the bad:


Clinton's Dubious Achievements

CNSNews.com

Saturday, Jan. 13, 2001

A White House summation of the past eight years credits President Clinton with widespread accomplishments, but the report is bulging with misleading claims and misconceptions, according to a wide variety of policy analysts.


"The main thing to emphasize is so much of this progress had already been launched before Clinton became president," said Stephen Moore, president of Club for Growth, whose members favor former President Ronald Reagan's vision of limited government.

Moore, addressing nearly a dozen economic expansion advances claimed by Clinton, said the administration could take credit for only two fiscal policy successes.

"His trade policy ... promoting free trade, has been very effective," Moore said, pointing to NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) as examples.

"Also, his monetary policy. He reappointed Alan Greenspan twice to the Federal Reserve Board ... and [gave] Greenspan the authority to do what he did."

Insofar as the administration laying claim to the "longest economic expansion in American history," the creation of "more than 22 million new jobs" and the "lowest unemployment rate in 30 years," as outlined on the White House Internet site, Clinton's level of involvement is exaggerated, said a scholar at Competitive Enterprise Institute.
"The economy had turned around before [former President George] Bush left office," said James DeLong, a senior fellow in the project on technology and innovation at the free-enterprise think tank. "But it was only after the Republicans took office in '94 that the stock market took off."

In fact, much of the economic growth experienced in the last few years was due to Reagan policies, implemented with a view toward the future, Moore said, or to the mettle of congressional Republicans who engaged in prolonged battles with Clinton to gain the approval of various measures.

Clinton Opposed Welfare Reform
and Capital Gains Tax Cut

"The balanced budget ... was quite a success," he said, "and the welfare reform bill, though Clinton vetoed it twice before he passed it. The capital gains tax cut of 1997 was a success, too, though he vetoed that twice, also."

Perhaps Clinton's greatest contribution to the perceived booming economy seen the past few years was adopting a hands-off approach, according to DeLong, and allowing such experts as his former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lloyd Bentsen the authority to implement their strategies.

(In contrast, critics are attacking President-elect Bush for delegating authority to his expert staff.)

"Clinton's original [economic policy] proposal would have inhibited the recovery" that began under the elder Bush, DeLong said. "But Clinton's people sort of kept him from doing those things that would have destroyed the economy."

The Clinton administration has also taken credit for overseeing the "lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years" – while ignoring statistics that show Americans shoulder the largest overall tax burden in years – and pushing through Congress the biggest tax increase in American history.

"That one sounds awfully funny to me," said DeLong, in reference to the latter claim. "People look at family income more than per capita income, so you can play all sorts of games with that."

But the economy is just one area covered in the White House release of Clinton's accomplishments.

Increasing School Choice?!
In education, the White House gives Clinton credit for raising standards, "increasing school choice," doubling "education and training investment," connecting "95 percent of schools to the Internet" and creating the "largest expansion of college opportunity since the G.I. Bill."

Those statements are misleading characterizations of achievements, said Michelle Easton, president of Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute and the former president of the Virginia Board of Education, except for those who want taxpayers to keep spending more on government schools.

"It sounds like they're just claiming credit for all sorts of absurd things," she said, explaining how many of those successes could be attributed to state and local policies, rather than federal.

"The federal government has nothing to do with [standards]," Easton said. "They might sling a little money ... but for the Clinton administration to claim credit for standards is just a total joke."

As in the case with the economic analysts, Easton said Clinton's greatest accomplishments in education were seen during the times he adopted a hands-off attitude so that state officials could then exert their influences upon local systems to demand increased standards.

She said the computer and college opportunity expansions were not convincing successes.

"It's not a big issue for me, but for a lot of conservatives, to force families whose children don't go to college to subsidize others is wrong," said Easton, explaining the controversy with Clinton's college financial aid increases.

"Also, in my mind, I would not be buying computers in schools where students can't read yet ... it's a matter of priority."

Morgan O. Reynolds, director of the criminal justice department for National Center for Policy Analysis, could not be reached for comment, but his essay posted on the organization's Internet site raised questions with Clinton's reported crime-fighting achievements.

Clinton's "comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties" and insistence for "more police" and "smart prevention" has culminated with a record that boasts a decline in overall crime for the past eight years, "the longest continuous drop on record," the White House reported.

What Reduced Crime
Analysts speaking to the issue in the past have said local and state enforcement techniques have generated the greater decreases in crime, as in New York, when "get tough" policies allowed police to arrest citizens for such infractions as spitting on the sidewalk. Criticized by many, including civil rights activists, the measures were also viewed as the base reasons behind New York City's lowered crime rates.
Reynolds did not address the importance of state and local strategies in his essay on crime, but instead debated a point not taken under consideration in the White House's claim of success.

While he agreed the country had seen a decrease in many types of crimes these past few years – since the 1980s, he said, because "as prisons filled, crime fell" – statistics indicating the numbers of juvenile offenders have continued to increase throughout the Clinton administration. Copyright CNSNews.com

[towlie]

Kosovo? Give me a break, first of all it wasnt an invasion, it was a joke. How do I know? I was there. I also seem to remember a couple of Apache pilots getting killed.

Just to clarify it was NATO bombing campaign/peace keeping mission not an invasion.

I'm not surprised. Even potheads want to argue over semantics.

Invasion: 1. An act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.

No one was killed in combat and I'm sorry there was actually a coalition that was commanded by a US General. I didn't realize world disdain was a requirement for my point. If you can’t see this as a reference to the current cluster fuck we're in then I'm going to have to confiscate some of your bud.

[medicineman]

Here's the good and the bad:



Clinton's Dubious Achievements

CNSNews.com

Saturday, Jan. 13, 2001

A White House summation of the past eight years credits President Clinton with widespread accomplishments, but the report is bulging with misleading claims and misconceptions, according to a wide variety of policy analysts.


"The main thing to emphasize is so much of this progress had already been launched before Clinton became president," said Stephen Moore, president of Club for Growth, whose members favor former President Ronald Reagan's vision of limited government.

Moore, addressing nearly a dozen economic expansion advances claimed by Clinton, said the administration could take credit for only two fiscal policy successes.

"His trade policy ... promoting free trade, has been very effective," Moore said, pointing to NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) as examples.

"Also, his monetary policy. He reappointed Alan Greenspan twice to the Federal Reserve Board ... and [gave] Greenspan the authority to do what he did."

Insofar as the administration laying claim to the "longest economic expansion in American history," the creation of "more than 22 million new jobs" and the "lowest unemployment rate in 30 years," as outlined on the White House Internet site, Clinton's level of involvement is exaggerated, said a scholar at Competitive Enterprise Institute.
"The economy had turned around before [former President George] Bush left office," said James DeLong, a senior fellow in the project on technology and innovation at the free-enterprise think tank. "But it was only after the Republicans took office in '94 that the stock market took off."

In fact, much of the economic growth experienced in the last few years was due to Reagan policies, implemented with a view toward the future, Moore said, or to the mettle of congressional Republicans who engaged in prolonged battles with Clinton to gain the approval of various measures.

Clinton Opposed Welfare Reform
and Capital Gains Tax Cut

"The balanced budget ... was quite a success," he said, "and the welfare reform bill, though Clinton vetoed it twice before he passed it. The capital gains tax cut of 1997 was a success, too, though he vetoed that twice, also."

Perhaps Clinton's greatest contribution to the perceived booming economy seen the past few years was adopting a hands-off approach, according to DeLong, and allowing such experts as his former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lloyd Bentsen the authority to implement their strategies.

(In contrast, critics are attacking President-elect Bush for delegating authority to his expert staff.)

"Clinton's original [economic policy] proposal would have inhibited the recovery" that began under the elder Bush, DeLong said. "But Clinton's people sort of kept him from doing those things that would have destroyed the economy."

The Clinton administration has also taken credit for overseeing the "lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years" – while ignoring statistics that show Americans shoulder the largest overall tax burden in years – and pushing through Congress the biggest tax increase in American history.

"That one sounds awfully funny to me," said DeLong, in reference to the latter claim. "People look at family income more than per capita income, so you can play all sorts of games with that."

But the economy is just one area covered in the White House release of Clinton's accomplishments.

Increasing School Choice?!
In education, the White House gives Clinton credit for raising standards, "increasing school choice," doubling "education and training investment," connecting "95 percent of schools to the Internet" and creating the "largest expansion of college opportunity since the G.I. Bill."

Those statements are misleading characterizations of achievements, said Michelle Easton, president of Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute and the former president of the Virginia Board of Education, except for those who want taxpayers to keep spending more on government schools.

"It sounds like they're just claiming credit for all sorts of absurd things," she said, explaining how many of those successes could be attributed to state and local policies, rather than federal.

"The federal government has nothing to do with [standards]," Easton said. "They might sling a little money ... but for the Clinton administration to claim credit for standards is just a total joke."

As in the case with the economic analysts, Easton said Clinton's greatest accomplishments in education were seen during the times he adopted a hands-off attitude so that state officials could then exert their influences upon local systems to demand increased standards.

She said the computer and college opportunity expansions were not convincing successes.

"It's not a big issue for me, but for a lot of conservatives, to force families whose children don't go to college to subsidize others is wrong," said Easton, explaining the controversy with Clinton's college financial aid increases.

"Also, in my mind, I would not be buying computers in schools where students can't read yet ... it's a matter of priority."

Morgan O. Reynolds, director of the criminal justice department for National Center for Policy Analysis, could not be reached for comment, but his essay posted on the organization's Internet site raised questions with Clinton's reported crime-fighting achievements.

Clinton's "comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties" and insistence for "more police" and "smart prevention" has culminated with a record that boasts a decline in overall crime for the past eight years, "the longest continuous drop on record," the White House reported.

What Reduced Crime
Analysts speaking to the issue in the past have said local and state enforcement techniques have generated the greater decreases in crime, as in New York, when "get tough" policies allowed police to arrest citizens for such infractions as spitting on the sidewalk. Criticized by many, including civil rights activists, the measures were also viewed as the base reasons behind New York City's lowered crime rates.
Reynolds did not address the importance of state and local strategies in his essay on crime, but instead debated a point not taken under consideration in the White House's claim of success.

While he agreed the country had seen a decrease in many types of crimes these past few years – since the 1980s, he said, because "as prisons filled, crime fell" – statistics indicating the numbers of juvenile offenders have continued to increase throughout the Clinton administration. Copyright CNSNews.com

said Stephen Moore, president of Club for Growth, whose members favor former President Ronald Reagan's vision of limited government..................... I think this about sums it up.

[Chrisuperfly]

I'm not surprised. Even potheads want to argue over semantics.

Invasion: 1. An act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army.

No one was killed in combat and I'm sorry there was actually a coalition that was commanded by a US General. I didn't realize world disdain was a requirement for my point. If you can’t see this as a reference to the current cluster fuck we're in then I'm going to have to confiscate some of your bud.

Active duty deaths during Clinton's first four years (1993 - 1996): 4302

Active duty deaths during Bush's first four years (2001 - 2004): 5187

hmmm....... and count 2 real wars to Bush's credit.

And why the pothead comment? I find it rediculous how people will post on a forum devoted to growing and smoking pot then start shit about the fact they can't carry a conversation on this board. Don't wan't to argue with a pothead go to a different fucking board.

[Garden Knowm]

Kosovo? Give me a break, first of all it wasnt an invasion, it was a joke. How do I know? I was there. I also seem to remember a couple of Apache pilots getting killed.

Just to clarify it was NATO bombing campaign/peace keeping mission not an invasion.

oh yeah, what was so funny?

[Garden Knowm]

LETS GO GET SADAMM .. he tried to kill my DADDY! (paraphrased)

which president said that to the United Nations?

[Chrisuperfly]

oh yeah, what was so funny?

It was a joke to call it an invasion