
09-25-2007, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 7xstall Actually, I don't smoke. It makes me paranoid. Every once in a while I might try a new crop, but basically when I'm posting on this site I am as sober as a person can be. I haven't had a drink (Of alcohol) in over 15 years, and basically gave up pot smoking then also. I grow for my friends and if my arthritus gets too bad, I'll take a few tokes. So any delusional thinking is not to be blamed on being stoned as I assume you must be, because sometimes you don't make sense with your contradictory thought patterns. then it's kool aid, and you've been drinking too much. be a friend and show me where my thoughts appear to contradict so i can ponder these things under the cloud of another sticky bowl.  I already did in the previous post:
If you chose to let people be as they are and let the people that run the world be themselves and pick and choose as they please, aren't you actually thwarting possibilities for all those that didn't fit the elites criteria? With your "freedom" agenda, you would be dampening any freedoms of the people that didn't fit their mold. That is why there must be fairness doctrines in the workplace. Everyone needs a job regardless of their sexual orientation or political beliefs. Yes they should keep them away from the workplace and try and do their jobs without their mindsets interfering, But your freedom for all bullshit will never work in this society. Maybe in a Hitlerian society, or a plutocracy, but without a fairness doctrine, this would be hell for a certain % of the populace.
Now tell me that doesn't describe how your freedom agenda would not be freedom for those not chosen by the freedom of those in charge. It would be like in school where you picked sides for a game. At the end of the picking, there would be a few million left out in the cold. We can't run our corporations like a schoolyard game. Corporations should have a moral conscience. Something they totally lack as the bottom line is the only goal, damn the people, full steam ahead. Lack of some kind of fairness doctrine in corporate rule would be devastating for a % of the populace.,Actually, we need stronger rules on corporations, make them responsible to more than their stockholders like the environment and the community in which they operate. If you can't agree with this, then I'm afraid you are a plutocracyst. Happy motoring. . | ...........................
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09-25-2007, 11:36 AM
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| | i'll go with your schoolyard analogy. the one thing that makes my take on it so different from yours is that there will be many games, many, many games and no one can be left out. the reason is simple, everyone is capable of doing something that needs to be done and that value makes them part of the big puzzle. no extra pieces.
i am in no way advocating plutocracy, or any return to the era of kings and serfs. what i am hoping for is more of a natural socialism, i guess you could call it that. right now our society rewards selfishness and ego-centric behavior. we need to learn some manors and have respect for people. it is proven that laws can't do that but i would argue that a lack of laws and regulation can. by forcing an overseeing structure on society we are asking for individuals, in fact demanding them, to slack off in their very important duty towards their brothers and sisters.
that's what i think is at the core of our differences, med. to me government represents a failure on my part as an individual to look out for my fellow humans and to you (more generally - all leftists) it represents the license to conveniently avoid those duties.
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09-25-2007, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 7xstall i'll go with your schoolyard analogy. the one thing that makes my take on it so different from yours is that there will be many games, many, many games and no one can be left out. the reason is simple, everyone is capable of doing something that needs to be done and that value makes them part of the big puzzle. no extra pieces.
i am in no way advocating plutocracy, or any return to the era of kings and serfs. what i am hoping for is more of a natural socialism, i guess you could call it that. right now our society rewards selfishness and ego-centric behavior. we need to learn some manors and have respect for people. it is proven that laws can't do that but i would argue that a lack of laws and regulation can. by forcing an overseeing structure on society we are asking for individuals, in fact demanding them, to slack off in their very important duty towards their brothers and sisters.
that's what i think is at the core of our differences, med. to me government represents a failure on my part as an individual to look out for my fellow humans and to you (more generally - all leftists) it represents the license to conveniently avoid those duties.
. | The problem is, 7X, the people in charge now do not have a social conscience. Why does a CEO need 30 million bucks a year? wouldn't a million suffice, hell how about 300 thousand. The guys at the top, the elites could care less about anything but their start times on the golf course, their stock portfolios, the completion of their new yacht, when that Lambo will be delivered, Etc. they will not notice the figures that show 20% more Americans live in poverty than 10 years ago. This is why this country is going down the shitter, just like Rome, Greed is taking the drivers seat.
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09-25-2007, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by medicineman The problem is, 7X, the people in charge now do not have a social conscience. Why does a CEO need 30 million bucks a year? wouldn't a million suffice, hell how about 300 thousand. The guys at the top, the elites could care less about anything but their start times on the golf course, their stock portfolios, the completion of their new yacht, when that Lambo will be delivered, Etc. they will not notice the figures that show 20% more Americans live in poverty than 10 years ago. This is why this country is going down the shitter, just like Rome, Greed is taking the drivers seat. | you'll notice that the decline coincides with increased government intervention. you know that the government feeds this cycle, left and right. you know that the left and right are doing the same thing as the CEOs.
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09-25-2007, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 7xstall you'll notice that the decline coincides with increased government intervention. you know that the government feeds this cycle, left and right. you know that the left and right are doing the same thing as the CEOs.
. | I've never been for big government, just smarter government. Could we lose billions in war spending and giveaways to corporations, hell yes. could the government be trimmed down to its fighting weight, hell yes. I could put together a plan for government within 2 wks. that would eliminate about 75% of its weight and still perform the needed functions, some old and a few new. There would be massive unemployment during the rearangement, but in the end, there would be near full employment as the illegals would be returned to their countries and the unemployed could begin building the fences, I knew you'd like that one. I would levey all the corporations that do business in the USA and do production in foriegn countries or with foriegn workers. A few billion would be used for drug treatment and re-aligning drug abusers to fit into society. Some drugs like Pot would be legal to grow your own, but huge retailers of the drug would not be allowed, maybe a government store, but cut out the large drug dealers. If a grower grew a little more than his own usaqge, then selling of small quanities would be legal. but moving tons would net you a large jail vacation. See, I'm barely into my re-organization and already I've got a grip on the drug problem
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09-25-2007, 01:53 PM
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| | Med sez ... "Actually, I don't smoke. It makes me paranoid." If you'd grow something besides that crummy WW, you might enjoy the high more. Personally, I think someone sold you some beans from a sack of Mexican Schwag and represented them as White Widow. Say the word Med ... and I'll get some REAL pot snob beans to ya. On the employer/employee thing: What if a very productive employee came to work with his head shaven one day. Then the next day, he came in wearing a shirt with a swastika on the front. The employer asked him to go home an change clothes. The employee refuses. The employer tells the employee that he is driving business away. Does the employer have the right to discriminate against the employee? Should the employee be disiplined for insubordination ... or fired? Vi
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09-25-2007, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ViRedd Med sez ... "Actually, I don't smoke. It makes me paranoid." If you'd grow something besides that crummy WW, you might enjoy the high more. Personally, I think someone sold you some beans from a sack of Mexican Schwag and represented them as White Widow. Say the word Med ... and I'll get some REAL pot snob beans to ya. On the employer/employee thing: What if a very productive employee came to work with his head shaven one day. Then the next day, he came in wearing a shirt with a swastika on the front. The employer asked him to go home an change clothes. The employee refuses. The employer tells the employee that he is driving business away. Does the employer have the right to discriminate against the employee? Should the employee be disiplined for insubordination ... or fired? Vi | Leave it to you to come up with an outrageous example. The employer has rights as well as the employee. if either infringe upon the others rights then an arbitration should be done. In this blatant case, I believe the employer has every right to send the employee home for the swastica, but the shaven head is the free will of the employee. there are lots of balding men that prefer to just shave it all off, and as for swastica tatoos, they should be covered up with clothing. when a person mutilates himself to the point that clothing cannot cover the tattoos, then the person has relegated himself to the ranks of Drug dealer or gangster and is exempt from the work place. Would you hire Mike Tyson to work a counter in your store? He may be looking for a job, maybe selling houses to all those uptight elites along the coast of Ca., ~LOL~.
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09-25-2007, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ViRedd Med sez ... "Actually, I don't smoke. It makes me paranoid." If you'd grow something besides that crummy WW, you might enjoy the high more. Personally, I think someone sold you some beans from a sack of Mexican Schwag and represented them as White Widow. Say the word Med ... and I'll get some REAL pot snob beans to ya. On the employer/employee thing: What if a very productive employee came to work with his head shaven one day. Then the next day, he came in wearing a shirt with a swastika on the front. The employer asked him to go home an change clothes. The employee refuses. The employer tells the employee that he is driving business away. Does the employer have the right to discriminate against the employee? Should the employee be disiplined for insubordination ... or fired? Vi | That really depends. If the business has a dress code then yeah, the employer has every right to reprimand the employee but if not then the employee has every right to wear shirts with swastikas. | 
09-25-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kant That really depends. If the business has a dress code then yeah, the employer has every right to reprimand the employee but if not then the employee has every right to wear shirts with swastikas. | I'm pretty sure the employer would win in court if he sent the employee with the swastica home if he was in the customer area, if the only people to see this employee were the other employees or like he worked on a construction site or an out door job maybe he'd have the right to wear a swastica, but if it would/could affect the business owners money flow, then you know who'd win.
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09-26-2007, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kant That really depends. If the business has a dress code then yeah, the employer has every right to reprimand the employee but if not then the employee has every right to wear shirts with swastikas. | so, the dress code that a reasonable person has in the form of rational expectations does not suffice?
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