Health Care Bill Moves Forward

**OregonMeds** · 11-23-2009, 05:17 PM

I fight about the health care stuff with people all the time. Nobody and I mean nobody wants that mandated health care that you have to pay for, people just are dying literally for change and anything that takes us in the direction we need to go is better than nothing is the way we actually think. Most of us are actually going for single provider and anything that gets passed in the meantime is only a temporary stepping stone towards that end.

Ultimately you will not be required to buy into anything. The money should come out of all of our taxes like everything else. Nobody here has a right to opt out of taxes now even if you think you do. No difference...

**medicineman** · 11-23-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by OregonMeds

I fight about the health care stuff with people all the time. Nobody and I mean nobody wants that mandated health care that you have to pay for, people just are dying literally for change and anything that takes us in the direction we need to go is better than nothing is the way we actually think. Most of us are actually going for single provider and anything that gets passed in the meantime is only a temporary stepping stone towards that end.

Ultimately you will not be required to buy into anything. The money should come out of all of our taxes like everything else. Nobody here has a right to opt out of taxes now even if you think you do. No difference...

I agree, pay up suckers, don't get caught hiding behind the door.

PadawanBater · 11-23-2009, 05:40 PM

I pay $30 out of my check every 2 weeks for basic medical/dental coverage. I don't know how great the coverage is yet, I haven't needed a doctor. I recently got a tooth pulled, so we'll see how much money I have to pay in a few weeks. How much different would this tax be? If it would be similar to the $30 I already pay, I would say it would be a better solution than what we currently have going on too, as the government wouldn't be allowed to just drop customers from coverage because of pre existing conditions or whatever, everyone would be covered, regardless (in theory anyway). As it is now, the little guy gets screwed and doesn't have a voice. The treatment should be fair and equal for all, imo.

**Johnnyorganic** · 11-23-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by PadawanBater

Hey JO, I've been hearing statistics since the beginning that say the numbers are somewhere between 30-50 million uninsured Americans. Given it's coming from the mainstream, no doubt it's inaccurate. But I was wondering if you had a more credible source for the numbers? If it's as low as 10 million, this shit wouldn't have nearly as much support, hence the exaggeration, right?

Paddy, the usually agreed upon number is 46 million. Precisely 45.7 million according to the Census Bureau, but that total includes illegal aliens (9.7 million), those who could afford to purchase it themselves (17.6 million), and those already eligible for existing programs (14 million). That leaves 10.5 million.

A 2003 Blue Cross/Blue Shield study put the number of those too poor to buy, yet not eligible for existing programs at 8.3 million.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/0...the-46-million

**medicineman** · 11-23-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by PadawanBater

I pay $30 out of my check every 2 weeks for basic medical/dental coverage. I don't know how great the coverage is yet, I haven't needed a doctor. I recently got a tooth pulled, so we'll see how much money I have to pay in a few weeks. How much different would this tax be? If it would be similar to the $30 I already pay, I would say it would be a better solution than what we currently have going on too, as the government wouldn't be allowed to just drop customers from coverage because of pre existing conditions or whatever, everyone would be covered, regardless (in theory anyway). As it is now, the little guy gets screwed and doesn't have a voice. The treatment should be fair and equal for all, imo.

I'll guarantee you, you have shit coverage. I'll bet the deductable is in the 2,000.00+ range, some go as high as 10,000.00 what this means is you must pay the first 2,000.00-whatever, before they pay one red cent. You'd be better off to pocket the money and save up for a trip to vegas, then bet it all on black or red, about the same returns, in fact I'm pretty sure you'd do better in Vegas. As for the tax, I havent a clue, but 120.00 a Mo. for a single dude, sounds about right.

**Rob Roy** · 11-23-2009, 05:50 PM

To those that support this bill. Why do you support government violence? You do know that some people will not go along with being forced to participate and they will ultimately be jailed. How is this a good thing?

**medicineman** · 11-23-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Roy

To those that support this bill. Why do you support government violence? You do know that some people will not go along with being forced to participate and they will ultimately be jailed. How is this a good thing?

It seems that ignorance is always going to jail. If one isn't smart enough to deal with this, then maybe a little jail could smarten them up. Rioting over government health care is about as stupid as I can think of. Why not riot over something that makes sense like two friken wars and 40,000 dying in the streets for lack of health care?

**jeffchr** · 11-23-2009, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnyorganic

Paddy, the usually agreed upon number is 46 million. Precisely 45.7 million according to the Census Bureau, but that total includes illegal aliens (9.7 million), those who could afford to purchase it themselves (17.6 million), and those already eligible for existing programs (14 million). That leaves 10.5 million.

A 2003 Blue Cross/Blue Shield study put the number of those too poor to buy, yet not eligible for existing programs at 8.3 million.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/0...the-46-million

first off, it's not illegal aliens, it non-citizens. if you don't know the difference, fine.

if your saying that people over 200% of the poverty level can afford good health coverage, i suggest you try to live on 40g's a year, with a $1300 per month insurance bill.

and why aren't the folks who are "eligible for existing programs" covered? you don't say.

and as far as I'm concerned, that leaves the total back at 46 million, which is the number from the year 2005. it's gone up since then.

**OregonMeds** · 11-23-2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Roy

To those that support this bill. Why do you support government violence? You do know that some people will not go along with being forced to participate and they will ultimately be jailed. How is this a good thing?

Many of the people FOR health care are already going to jail by the hundreds just to get us all (including you) taken care of. Every time someone is hauled out of a meeting, jail... Well guess what, we are also the same people who fight the oppressive police and criminal justice system. We aren't the people who created the laws which allow the government to stop public gatherings and require permits to protest. We are all the descendants of the victims of that policy whether you are white, black, pot smoker, hippies, hippies kids, etc.

We believe in and fight for the rights to stand up and protest and we fight and go to jail for you to get the same healtcare we fight to get for ourselves. If you choose to go to jail simply because you refuse to get either private or public OR A WAIVER then that's your choice, but it won't get you or us anywhere and our way will. Your way is out of stubbornness or fear or greed, our way comes from a better place.