DUI Thread

Why can people not discuss things honestly?

Here is the first sentence of my opening post:

"We all know how dangerous it is to drive drunk."

As if this need explanation - nobody is saying that it is OK to drive drunk. Do I need to repeat that again?

I have never said otherwise, so why is it that people are trying to misrepresent what I am saying and argue against something I didn't say? Is there a single person among you who can be honest and address what I did say as opposed to what I did not say?

What I did say, is that it is wrong to set a legal limit that allows people who are NOT DRUNK to be prosecuted as if they were. Many people at .08% are far from drunk and can operate a car without any appreciable impairment. Myself and many people I know are among them.

And you all need to stop lying. Damn near everyone who pontificates on the dangers of DUI drives after drinking. They rationalize that they are not "drunk" but merely had a couple drinks and that it is different in their case. Sure they have two glasses of wine at dinner and drive home but that isn't "drunk" that is merely a couple glasses of wine. People who get DUIs are all people who were doing keg stands or pounding shots.

Well, I've got news for you, the couple glasses of wine do count and so do the times that "don't count." Stop lying to yourself and everyone else - if you drink, you have been guilty of DUI. Just because you consider everything you do to be a special exception doesn't make it so.

And stop lying by twisting my words. I am not defending people who get plastered and drive, I am just saying that the legal limit is too low and that the way people are prosecuted makes no sense. It makes no sense to jail a guy who is sleeping off a buzz in the back seat with his engine running for heat. If you think this type of Draconian law enforcement is good for anyone you better think again while you still have your freedom.

The message is, don't drink & drive. It doesn't mean you should have a few and as long as you don't go over the legal limit because of (metabolism/wight ratios), you're good to go. No, the goal is to have NO drinks before driving.....period. The legal limit allows for an "accidental" drink, but no more. Anything more than one implies intent. It should be punished.

Originally Posted by RickWhite

Oh see, now that is just the kind of hyperbolic bullshit the cops hope for.

It's more along the lines of having to explain to your wife that some sadistic dick cop turned a fun day on the lake into a major legal headache that is going to cost you your job and bankrupt your family.

But anyway, why don't you fess up and tell us why it is OK for you to DUI every time you get behind the wheel.

Originally Posted by RickWhite

Why can people not discuss things honestly?

Here is the first sentence of my opening post:

"We all know how dangerous it is to drive drunk."

As if this need explanation - nobody is saying that it is OK to drive drunk. Do I need to repeat that again?

I have never said otherwise, so why is it that people are trying to misrepresent what I am saying and argue against something I didn't say? Is there a single person among you who can be honest and address what I did say as opposed to what I did not say?

What I did say, is that it is wrong to set a legal limit that allows people who are NOT DRUNK to be prosecuted as if they were. Many people at .08% are far from drunk and can operate a car without any appreciable impairment. Myself and many people I know are among them.

And you all need to stop lying. Damn near everyone who pontificates on the dangers of DUI drives after drinking. They rationalize that they are not "drunk" but merely had a couple drinks and that it is different in their case. Sure they have two glasses of wine at dinner and drive home but that isn't "drunk" that is merely a couple glasses of wine. People who get DUIs are all people who were doing keg stands or pounding shots.

Well, I've got news for you, the couple glasses of wine do count and so do the times that "don't count." Stop lying to yourself and everyone else - if you drink, you have been guilty of DUI. Just because you consider everything you do to be a special exception doesn't make it so.

And stop lying by twisting my words. I am not defending people who get plastered and drive, I am just saying that the legal limit is too low and that the way people are prosecuted makes no sense. It makes no sense to jail a guy who is sleeping off a buzz in the back seat with his engine running for heat. If you think this type of Draconian law enforcement is good for anyone you better think again while you still have your freedom.

you've beat yourself at your own argument.

Originally Posted by RickWhite

Why can people not discuss things honestly?

Here is the first sentence of my opening post:

"We all know how dangerous it is to drive drunk."

As if this need explanation - nobody is saying that it is OK to drive drunk. Do I need to repeat that again?

I have never said otherwise, so why is it that people are trying to misrepresent what I am saying and argue against something I didn't say? Is there a single person among you who can be honest and address what I did say as opposed to what I did not say?

What I did say, is that it is wrong to set a legal limit that allows people who are NOT DRUNK to be prosecuted as if they were. Many people at .08% are far from drunk and can operate a car without any appreciable impairment. Myself and many people I know are among them.

And you all need to stop lying. Damn near everyone who pontificates on the dangers of DUI drives after drinking. They rationalize that they are not "drunk" but merely had a couple drinks and that it is different in their case. Sure they have two glasses of wine at dinner and drive home but that isn't "drunk" that is merely a couple glasses of wine. People who get DUIs are all people who were doing keg stands or pounding shots.

Well, I've got news for you, the couple glasses of wine do count and so do the times that "don't count." Stop lying to yourself and everyone else - if you drink, you have been guilty of DUI. Just because you consider everything you do to be a special exception doesn't make it so.

And stop lying by twisting my words. I am not defending people who get plastered and drive, I am just saying that the legal limit is too low and that the way people are prosecuted makes no sense. It makes no sense to jail a guy who is sleeping off a buzz in the back seat with his engine running for heat. If you think this type of Draconian law enforcement is good for anyone you better think again while you still have your freedom.

so what do you suggest? everyone take a drunk limit test when they get their license?

i hear your argument and it does make a little sense. but what more could the lawmakers do? drunk drivers DO kill people so some type of system must be in place.


suggestion here, ... ______________

I don't think a guy sleeping off a drunk in his back seat is worthy of jail time. A responsible drinker would not have drove to the event without knowing how to get home, or at least know not to have the car running if said plan was to sleep in car. And if your not out to get drunk.. like dinner with the family teach your kids to turn off the car if the cops come by while your sleeping it off.
I know things happen. Guy could have drove to party and designated driver left him etc.

Drunk limit test would not work.. I think you know that

Up here people with a few dui's can get a device placed in their car that they have to blow into to start the car and every half hour when it's running. This is for people who really need to drive for work etc. You pay for the device and then you need to bring it in regularly to get it calibrated ect.

Suggestion. Make these devices standard issue for autos?

So a guy is on his way home from work when he gets a call from his buds to meet for happy hour. The guy meets them, has some calamari and a few beers. Now you guys are suggesting that he leave his car and take a cab home and then take a cab back to his car the following morning even though that particular guy can safely drive home no problem? And if the place is at the end of the block and he gets caught driving his car 1 mile to his house he ought to go to jail and lose his license for 6 months?

If any of you bothered to click the link I provided you can read ideas for more fair laws based on a reasonable approach.

And one other thing. There are more bars along the road than any other business. If nobody leaving these bars is driving why don't we see a cab every 1/4 mile? I have been in bars listening to people just like you guys condemn drinking and driving while they pound their last drink, get out their car keys and stagger toward the door. Evidently drinking and driving is the new masturbation - everyone does it but nobody admits it.

Yes exactly, if you are going to drink, don't drive. Stopping off for a few may not be the best idea. Make better arrangements, it's not difficult.

If someone is driving safely at .08, then why would they be stopped by the police? A person may THINK he/she is driving unimpaired at .08, but how does that person explain the open windows at 3 in the morning when its 40 degrees outside? How does one explain having the high beams on and not dimming them as the cop approached from the other direction? How does one explain the statement: "Honest drunk, I'm not officer!" How does one explain away the statement you made that was recorded in the police report: "When I commented to the suspect that his eyes were red and asked him if he had been drinking, his response to me was: 'Well officer, your eyes are glazed ... have you been eating donuts?'"

Originally Posted by RickWhite

So a guy is on his way home from work when he gets a call from his buds to meet for happy hour. The guy meets them, has some calamari and a few beers. Now you guys are suggesting that he leave his car and take a cab home and then take a cab back to his car the following morning even though that particular guy can safely drive home no problem? And if the place is at the end of the block and he gets caught driving his car 1 mile to his house he ought to go to jail and lose his license for 6 months?

If any of you bothered to click the link I provided you can read ideas for more fair laws based on a reasonable approach.

And one other thing. There are more bars along the road than any other business. If nobody leaving these bars is driving why don't we see a cab every 1/4 mile? I have been in bars listening to people just like you guys condemn drinking and driving while they pound their last drink, get out their car keys and stagger toward the door. Evidently drinking and driving is the new masturbation - everyone does it but nobody admits it.

so i saw your point, even agreed a little. then i opened the door for a discussion with you. you chose to reply to the drama instead.


troll.