Straw man much?
Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

2. Person A has position X.
3. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
4. Person B attacks position Y.
5. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Examples of Straw Man

2. Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
   Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
   Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it."
   Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
   Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."
3. "Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
4. Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
   Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
   Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
   Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."

Im not bitching at all, I am only providing the facts. Since you are the one who brings up abuse and child labor are you the one wants abuse and child labor? Well, do you advocate that or what?

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I think he just called you out NoDrama...you the one that typed that BS as basis to your argument..Maybe we should call you Aunt Sally.... Don't type it if you don't mean it..

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Thanks for vocabulary lesson NoDrama.
Already knew the definition though.

Anyway, having laws saying that parents can't let their kids starve to death = having a gov. that tells you how to raise your kids just seemed like a bit of a stretch to me.

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The government did not make Murder Illegal. Man did. I do not advocate government not making laws that protect kids, I never said that, your just trying to straw man the argument. By your reasoning would you neglect your child if the government did NOT have a law against it? If there was no law against murder, would you go around murdering? well would you? I don't think we need a law telling us we need to take care of our kids, it should be a natural instinct, just as we know that murdering others is wrong even if there is no law against it. Thats my argument, but your argument is that if there were no laws against doing bad things that people would just go ape shit doing bad things. Have some faith in your Neighbor.


Do you grow pot because it is legal to do so?

The point with the light bulbs is that when you need to heat your home, you won't need to heat it as much if you use incandescent, because the incandescent put off gobs of heat themselves. Thats the whole point. When they say that Fluoros are so much more efficient they are correct, but in the winter those incandescent bulbs help to heat the home, so the fluoros would provide no net energy savings because you will have to compensate for the less heat they put out by running your furnace longer. So when you are heating your home, fluoros provide no energy savings overall. Get it?

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We only need the government to protect this country from enemies, Protect the rights of the citizens and to enforce contracts. Thats pretty much it.

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I think you're right nodrama. That doesn't mean in an ideal stateless society there wouldn't be negative consequences levied on those who abuse their children, but the idea that any law prevents an abusive parent from abusing their children is a little stupid (pardon the simple adjective).

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thats my point. yet it seems that many ppl want to ask the government for everything, and to have them solve all our problems.

Dude your argument is weak..stop using strawman so much make it seems like you just learned the word and meaning...tell you what do what ever you like.... If you don't want government tear your azz to somewhere you can be your own ...and dude laws made murder illegal and depending on how you murdered someone and why you murder someone will determine your punishment...LAWS which are made by your government...now if murder was legal you damn right I would have murdered by now....but since we have laws I let the law take care of my problems...now stop with the weak azz arguments..you better then that...


edit ..look back on your post and you see you started the BS by using kids as an example plzzzzzz

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Ok just one at a time with this one..... first one ...What do we do about the Post Office ????

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the post office started out private