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Old 11-03-2009, 11:32 AM
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why do I want the government...Are you serious or did you just need attention...

1. public schools ( I'm sure you attended one...... hopefully)
2. highway and roads ( you do drive right ???? )
3 preserves state and national parks ( my family loves to go camping in yellowstone)
4. police dept. ( you hate them until someone robs you or kicks your azz )
5. fire dept. ( The roof the roof the roof is on fire.....do you really want the mutherphucker to burn ????? )
6. Post office ( I'm sure you used this at one point of your life )
7. Military (they protect you from someone trying to attack us...maybe you should join..do something for your country)
8. public libraries ( this might be a place you have never went..you may need to try it , so you won't start threads like this)
9. FDIC ( Do you have a bank account ????? )
10. FAA ( Guess you don't like planes not crashing too )

ok thats ten just off the top of my head...now I ask you what have you done for your country besides complain ?????

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1: The public Schools of today are far worse then the ones of yesteryear, the more government gets involved the dumber the students get.

2:Yeah they do a decent job with the roads, but cost is too high.

3: Parks? What if I own a 50,000 acre parcel and decide to make 1/2 of it a park? I don't need govt to do that. Im sure there is some law that makes govt responsible for how it operates though. Well not resposible, but the overseer.

4: Police dept. police only show up after the crime is committed. If everyone owned a firearm we would see a big reduction in property crime and wouldn't need so many cops.

5: Fire Dept, the Volunteer system works very well as is, just incorporate that idea in the cities too.

6:Post Office..Bankrupt, operates at a loss every year.

7: Military, we don't need such a huge force or so much money involved if we just protect our own and stop imperialistic wars all over the world.

8:Public Libraries, they could just charge a simple rental fee, OR they could (And Have) scanned all books and you can get them free over the net. We could live without the building that no one visits anymore.

9:FDIC that does not do its job? There should be thousands of bank failures happening right now, but since the FDIC does not do it job to shut them down, they will continue to drag the country down with them. The FDIC Is and Has been broke for months now, they are borrowing money to keep the depositors bailed out right now. Look up Sheila Bair and read about it. I don't think youll find much at the Library.

10: FAA, well they do a good job at that, I guess we can keep it. Unfortunately they are not the ones who keep the planes all lined up, thats Air Traffic Control.

So all in all the government for the most part fails.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:37 AM
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Just a few opinions of mine when it comes to the military and healthcare. Our military is the best because we want it to be. We spend the time and money on it. I think this is the greatest country in the world and if want to do something well....we can. We just have to want to ldo it ike our military. When it comes to health care people keep just making a point about illegals getting coverage. That is only one small part of it and they already get care... more expensive care... by using the ER as their general doctor. My main point about health care is there are many parts to it. I work for a fortune 100 company and have "good" insurance that I and my company pay a lot for. However due to red tape, profit driven mentality , and pre existing conditions I am in debt because almost all my treatment is denied. Thank god I can grow my own medicine as that does help some. I do believe we need health care reform and not just for people who don't have insurance.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:38 AM
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OMG you are serious....
1. I have kids never been told by the government how to raise them.
2. Damn they took your possessions..meaning???? taxes????
3. They tell you want you eat or do they suggest what you need to eat to stay healthy...Check which country has the highest obesity rate might open your eyes..anyway they don't make you eat something you do not..are they telling you or making you eat $hit?????
4. They are not going to control health care you will still have a choice..Just like when you mail a package you can use USPS,UPS,or even FED EX...competition makes price go done
5. Light bulbs..really ...dude as a grower should have had switched to cfls in your home a long time ago..."Hey phuck the government they trying to make me save money by suggesting I use cfls"..dude


I thought you maybe were talking about things like the Patriot Act, but now I see you just posting just because you can..

Does the Government make laws about leaving children alone unattended? Does Govt make laws that you must feed, clothe and send your kids to school? well then they are telling you how to raise them.

You do not own anything, the government can take anything of yours it wants and all it has to do is lie about it.

Eat what you want, don't listen to the Gubbermint.

They will control healthcare and you will be taxed a shit load to pay for it. Maybe not at first, but give it a while, youll see.

CFL's do not save any energy at all if you are heating your home. Regular incandescent bulbs help to heat the home.
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OMG you are serious....
1. I have kids never been told by the government how to raise them.
2. Damn they took your possessions..meaning???? taxes????
3. They tell you want you eat or do they suggest what you need to eat to stay healthy...Check which country has the highest obesity rate might open your eyes..anyway they don't make you eat something you do not..are they telling you or making you eat $hit?????
4. They are not going to control health care you will still have a choice..Just like when you mail a package you can use USPS,UPS,or even FED EX...competition makes price go done
5. Light bulbs..really ...dude as a grower should have had switched to cfls in your home a long time ago..."Hey phuck the government they trying to make me save money by suggesting I use cfls"..dude


I thought you maybe were talking about things like the Patriot Act, but now I see you just posting just because you can..
I'd say Germany but I know that Micronesia is fattest.

That general area of the world...
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OMG you are serious....
1. I have kids never been told by the government how to raise them.


A) really whoop your kids in public and see how fast that changes.



2. Damn they took your possessions..meaning???? taxes????



B) once again read the post. i said they can take your possessions with out reason.




3. They tell you want you eat or do they suggest what you need to eat to stay healthy...Check which country has the highest obesity rate might open your eyes..anyway they don't make you eat something you do not..are they telling you or making you eat $hit?????


C) what state was it that schools are serving no meat on Monday's?




4. They are not going to control health care you will still have a choice..Just like when you mail a package you can use USPS,UPS,or even FED EX...competition makes price go done


D) really lol. ok if you really believe that.





5. Light bulbs..really ...dude as a grower should have had switched to cfls in your home a long time ago..."Hey phuck the government they trying to make me save money by suggesting I use cfls"..dude



E) they are so good for us even though they contain mercury. hold up doesn't that stuff kill you. i am sorry i us m/h and hps.





I thought you maybe were talking about things like the Patriot Act, but now I see you just posting just because you can..

as are you. one of the fue rights we still have. so enjoy while you can.

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Does the Government make laws about leaving children alone unattended? Does Govt make laws that you must feed, clothe and send your kids to school? well then they are telling you how to raise them.

You do not own anything, the government can take anything of yours it wants and all it has to do is lie about it.

Eat what you want, don't listen to the Gubbermint.

They will control healthcare and you will be taxed a shit load to pay for it. Maybe not at first, but give it a while, youll see.

CFL's do not save any energy at all if you are heating your home. Regular incandescent bulbs help to heat the home.
Hey the Government also make murder illegal a lot of people should be very thankful for that.... are you against the government making laws that protect kids...They not telling me what to do because I would never let my kids go without...weak argument....I own my thoughts can't take that away..you can try to take my gun, but I will give you the bullets first..then whos ever left can take the gun from my dead hands....I do eat what I want......so I guess you know the future with health care ( hey tell me the lottery numbers will ya) ...but even if I had to pay a little more for someone who can't get health care ..guess what I will do ... Pay it...$hit I paid for a damn war a didn't want so at least I know that this will be for some good..who the phuck heats their home with light bulbs ???? man that's stupid.... a space heater would be much cheaper...Now if you had said that you wanted to bake a cake in a easy bake oven you would have had me...stop trying to score points with weak arguments
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Does the Government make laws about leaving children alone unattended? Does Govt make laws that you must feed, clothe and send your kids to school? well then they are telling you how to raise them.
Are you seriously bitching about that?!?
You think people should be allowed to neglect children? Maybe we should allow child labor too?
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I'm fine with other people that want government having it and paying for it. In a rational world if you leave others alone, they don't force you to belong to their "clubs". How did government acquire this power to make others comply? I didn't give them MY consent, so they must have TAKEN it by force. Or could somebody else have given them my consent, um without my consent? Either way, why can't a peaceful person opt out of government control? Sounds like slavery if you can't. Why is government afraid to let peaceful people be?

Governments kill people, extort from them, brainwash them through forced indoctrination and don't permit you to own your body or property. I'm not sure I want to join that club.
By the way...Public education is the 10th plank of the Communist manifesto....

So how 'bout somebody explain why if government is so damn good, we have to be MADE to belong?
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Libertarians have never been effective when using the argument from efficiency, though they are absolutely right in that every service the government provides could be better provided by the private sector... every single one. No exceptions.

If you claim to agree with the non-aggression principle (the initiation of the use of force is immoral), then you are frankly nothing short of a hypocrite if you advocate for a government monopoly on ANY service.
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Rob Roy you actually make a great point...Not sure what you could do ....but do you now use any services supplied by or help by the government ??? Do you really want to live in a world with no government ???
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